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Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« on: October 26, 2015, 04:21:55 AM »
for source and more graphics, go to: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-23/wa-ice-addicts-tell-of-devastation-drug-has-wrought-on-lives/6879202

Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs


Former ice addict Baymis wants to be a good role model for his children.

Baymis used ice as a way to deal with his emotions, and even a stint in jail did nothing to curb his addiction.

As Western Australia grapples with the highest incidence of ice usage in the nation, the demand for ice or crystal meth is rising, according to Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan.

Like many addicts, Baymis switched from smoking the drug to injecting it following a ban on smoking implements.

Baymis is now living at the rehabilitation centre Palmerston Farm, south of Perth, where ice addicts have outnumbered alcoholics for the first time.

He had been using crystal meth nearly every day for up to eight years, after first being introduced to it by a workmate, and described it as the worst decision of his life.

"When you're on it, you don't really have a choice with what you think," he said.

"Everything else comes second.

"Whenever I was upset, I'd always try and make myself feel better because I didn't understand my emotions, so I just used it to regulate my emotions I think and take away all responsibility that I have, like, on anything."

Baymis committed a crime which sent him to prison for nine months and he continued to use while inside.

"[I was] constantly thinking about it, constantly having it in your thoughts," he said.

"All the time and effort it takes up, just to actually hold on until you get it - it's unbearable."

My kids made me stop: addict

Addiction caused him to lose his job and led to the demise of two relationships.

Both girlfriends and other friends and family members told him to stop, but he ignored all of them.

It was only when Baymis was warned he was going to lose access to his kids, that he decided he had to.

"My four children, they look up to me, they need a good positive role model in their life and I never had that as a child, growing up, so I thought 'perfect timing - give my kids what I never had'," he said.

Now he wants to stay clean, and Palmerston Farm has shown him the way to do it.

"My aim is to actually get a job during my time here so I'll have something to go back to, because if you go straight back into old environments, old lifestyles, you find it hard no matter how much you've learnt," he said.

"You've got to change your social network so you can't be with friends who you used to use with because they just drag you back down."

His mother died recently, and Baymis said being resident at Palmerston enabled him to deal with it without resorting to drugs.

"If I hadn't been here for two months prior to it, I probably would've just went out and used it as an excuse like I've done before," he said.

"Actually her last words to me were that she was proud of me."

Synthetic cannabis was gateway to meth

Levi, 23, lost his job after erratic behaviour at work led to a drug test, exposing his meth addiction.

"I lost every single relationship, my job and everything I'd built and had worth on," he said.

"It's time to change now because I can't afford to live that way anymore."

Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan said ice impacted every aspect of people's lives.

"I think it can be described as an epidemic," he said.

"There's never been such a big focus on one single drug, certainly in the time I've been a police officer and the time I've been Police Commissioner."

For Levi, synthetic cannabis acted as a gateway drug.

"I started on synthetic cannabis around 17, and it got gradually and gradually worse and methamphetamine was introduced to me start of this year," he said.

"And the first time I had that I thought 'wow, I could go a lot more crazier than I did on that previous stuff'.

"Isolation, depression and anxiety were kicking in, and there was no longer that I could afford to feed the habit and my moral compass was compromised."

Baymis and Levi think the Palmerston centre is the best model for helping people get over addictions.

CEO Shelia McHale said residents ran the facility.

"They plan the menus, they do the cooking they understand nutrition, they start to understand the importance of healthy eating," she sad.

"They're the sorts of building blocks we try and focus on to help them start to feel better, to get better and to be able to live a normal life again."

Meth overtaking alcohol at rehab centre

Palmerston recently passed a grim milestone, as the number of alcoholics being treated was overtaken by drug addicts for the first time in its 35 year history.

"Looking at the data only for the last month, we are seeing now methamphetamine overtaking alcohol," she said.

"I wouldn't say that's going to be the trend necessarily, but certainly over the last two years, we've seen meth creeping up there and it is certainly on a par with alcohol."

Ms McHale said full rehabilitation can be a long haul.

"Something like a residential program is a very good response to somebody with significant meth issues," he said.

She said meth addiction had cut across society.

"Men, women, young, 30s, 40s, from all walks of life so we may have professional people here, we may have tradespeople, we may have fly in, fly out people.

"It typically doesn't discriminate."
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2015, 04:43:05 AM »
You can always tell when an article is written by someone who has loittle or no first hand or is even close to an "addict." the articles are almsot boilerplate.

With the world in a so-called "epidemic" of drug use you'd think they could find a reporter who actually knew a little bit about what they are covering. That article offered no real insights to the "addict's" mind or WHY he made the choice to continue using and  the obvious truth we sll know; you don't really stop using until you are ready to stop using.


Thanks for sharing. I just find it a little depressing that a subject everyone seems to agree is so important gets an article writtne like a high school English paper about the First World War. Meaning, the writer wasn't bringing anything new to the reader, just rehashing the aaccepted truisms about drugs and addiction.

And no, synthetic marijuana is not a "gateway drug" to ice any more than milk is to vodka.
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2015, 05:05:19 AM »
i wonder if the percentile of the population that uses crsytal meth has changed much ?

it's going deeper underground as the laws tighten up. I know they think that they are helping but not in the right way.

it's clear that this drug will addict certain personality types and usually, an addiction is the last thing that they need.

but i live in hope that people can have a safer choice: use and do it legally and safely or abstain altogether.

it's also easy to eventually get sick of a drug that makes you feel worse upon cessation.
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2015, 05:22:01 AM »
When I read these articles from Oz that you post, Chipper, I always read them with an Ozzie accent in my head,

"oice eddicts outnumbah ailka-hole-icks for the furst toim evah."
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2015, 05:39:33 AM »
When I read these articles from Oz that you post, Chipper, I always read them with an Ozzie accent in my head,

"oice eddicts outnumbah ailka-hole-icks for the furst toim evah."

that's funny and odd considering that i do not hear an american accent when reading yours though i do love a slow southern drawl (either coast).

IYWW (If You Were Wondering), i personally have a Oz+NZ fusion accent thing going on, bro'/mate.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2015, 09:42:54 PM »
Anyone from south of VA would say I sound like a yankee, but someone from NY or NJ would say I sound like a southern redneck.
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2015, 10:59:09 PM »
I am pure "D" southern gal. Think any woman on Hee Haw or Reese Witherspoon in "Sweet Home Alabama"( is that the right movie name?). Folks probably assume I'm slow or stupid when they hear me, however, I graduated high school when I was 15.

And to not derail too far, my daughter is all caught up in the ice/needle epidemic. She can stop for four or five days then right back to it like a magnet too strong to resist. I've done the drug, but it is the opposite of what I wanted even when I was using recreationally. So I think it is definitely a personality that is suited to this particular drug. I didn't like it when I was high. But I had a decade long love affair with crack, very different imo.
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2015, 03:54:19 AM »
i wonder if the percentile of the population that uses crsytal meth has changed much ?

it's going deeper underground as the laws tighten up. I know they think that they are helping but not in the right way.

it's clear that this drug will addict certain personality types and usually, an addiction is the last thing that they need.

but i live in hope that people can have a safer choice: use and do it legally and safely or abstain altogether.

it's also easy to eventually get sick of a drug that makes you feel worse upon cessation.

Agree Chipper
Give them enough rope to hang thereselfs so to say
but if they could focus on other parts of there life
then just maybe some progress

Scoring can be a full time job with plenty of overtime
We have tryed the people who have never done drugs ways
For 50 odd years
STILL NOT GETTING THAT SQUARE PEG INTO THE ROUND HOLE.

You are from the future tell me whats tommrow like
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2015, 04:00:15 AM »
I am pure "D" southern gal. Think any woman on Hee Haw or Reese Witherspoon in "Sweet Home Alabama"( is that the right movie name?). Folks probably assume I'm slow or stupid when they hear me, however, I graduated high school when I was 15.

And to not derail too far, my daughter is all caught up in the ice/needle epidemic. She can stop for four or five days then right back to it like a magnet too strong to resist. I've done the drug, but it is the opposite of what I wanted even when I was using recreationally. So I think it is definitely a personality that is suited to this particular drug. I didn't like it when I was high. But I had a decade long love affair with crack, very different imo.

Really two differnt drugs
crack take a xanax go to sleep

Ice do some awake for days the rushes are
even differnt.

Just cause you are from the south
(yes correct movie name)
HeAd graduated right after her 17th birthday
and was in Tulane shortly after

No roaming around europe for a year
she was/is an extramly driven girl.
and does not fit your typical girl type
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2015, 05:12:24 AM »


it's clear that this drug will addict certain personality types and usually, an addiction is the last thing that they need.

What kind of "personality types?" Just curious of your opinion.
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2015, 05:27:09 AM »
those that want to feel energised and almost instant gratification.

the addiction doesn't discriminate, poor and rich.
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2015, 06:04:53 AM »
I know it doesn't discriminate. I was just curious if you had your own theory of the "clear personality types" that typically get involved with tweak.

I noticed bamapaingurl mentioned the same thing about certain personality types.

The statement just peaked my curiosity.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2015, 06:32:49 AM »
apologies on the discrimation.

lots of unsavoury types too.
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2015, 06:46:19 AM »
I found myself getting gripped by it pre Katrina.
Had it not been for the storm.
Who knows
Was getting the eight balls
That looked like rock candy.
Not a thing to stay up
four for (4)days.
This not a drug for any one with
Ocd
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Re: Ice addicts tell of motivation to get off drugs
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2015, 06:58:10 AM »
apologies on the discrimation.

lots of unsavoury types too.

No discrimination was noted, I'm not upset by any statements haha...but I do notice the trend of unsavory types within that community.
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