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General => General Discussion for Everybody => Topic started by: bignasty on August 15, 2018, 09:07:05 PM
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Has anyone had ketamine infusions done?
If so, how much was the cost?
How did it work for you?
Will any insurance carriers cover ketamine treatment yet?
Also, has anybody ever had a script for the ketamine nasal spray for pain or anything else? I've been researching ketamine infusions for awhile now and one thing that I've noticed that has changed is that they now offer the nasal spray for use at home between the infusions that are done in the office. I'm thinking the ketamine nasal spray could work wonders for my migraines. I remember waking up from my last surgery and was literally in zero pain and it wasn't because of the fent....it was because of the ketamine.
It seems like they'd be doing as much research as possible into nitrous oxide and ketamine for pain since they're trying to get away from opioids. I don't think they want us to have anything that might make us feel good though. If they were truly worried about opioid OD deaths, they'd be giving out alot more ketamine and nitrous.
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Ketamine and Nitrous (two drugs that i know well) don't really have much benefit for pain control outside a hospital/veterinary setting.
i was on a Ketamine infusion (for intractable pain - long story) and the way they make sure that you don't enjoy it (or trip out) is by adding Diazepam (the handy "anti-trip" agent of choice) to the mix.
it worked very well !
I tried to mix Ketamine and Methadone for a buzz and it yielded nothing of benefit for either drug ... just in case anybody gets some "potentiating" silly thoughts.
for me, after much experimenting, found that Ketamine (pure) is best served IV/IM @ 1.7 mg/kg body weight = fabulous trip LAYING DOWN ... OR a few "bumps" in a groovy nightclub of your choosing.
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I'm 180 lbs so what would that be, about 120-150 mg's IV?
I'm on MMT so I'd think methadone, ketamine and IV diazepam would make for a smooth ride while getting the infusion. I'm not really looking for the trippy part anyway but I would like to enjoy any euphoria that it has to offer.
Did the infusion help the intractable pain at all? You said it doesn't have much benefit then you said it worked very well.
Did it work to improve your mood for the next few days/weeks?
Did you get a script for the nasal spray? Or did you just get the powder or a vial thru the black market? I used to be able to get 100mg's per ml in a 10ml vial from Mexico/San Diego before they cracked down on all the Chula Vista/Tijuana websites that were operating openly in the mid 2000's.
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about 140 mg for you.
i knew a gay Ket. dealer (now dead) and his Ket was pure; it had been a liquid that when evaporated, left a white powder. $120 AUD a point, IIRC.
ok, so i experimented with all sort of doses and noted the effect ~ i found the "sweet spot". anything under it didn't drop you in the k-hole deeply and once exceeding it, put you into a deeply anaesthetised state where you have no memory of the experienced and it's like falling asleep then waking up (duh, it is a anaesthetic).
haha, i really took my research seriously !
it's non-physicaly addictive and after so much of it, i came to remember the indescribable experience.
i remember trying some when in slight Opi withdrawals and it certainly fixed any physical discomfort.
does it help with pain ? yes, completely, from memory. it's a weird experience as my pain was both severe disc nerve spasms *and* i was in 'done w/d ... i kept thinking "wtf ? this is cool".
i might add that this was after a lot of lengthy begging and yelling (like for 48 fucking hours) ~ i knew nothing about Ket at the time !
the docs. had me on Oxycodone, Dexamphetamine, Valium, Flunitrazepam (had to beg for that), Baclofen and 2 oral and IV antibiotics ... and after being told that i was lucky to be still alive, i was feeling quite confused. i had one of those bars in my (specially unpadded bed) where you pull up on them like you are doing "chin ups".
what i mean't is that yes, it works with pain but euphoria is blunted with the 'done.
also, unless infused, the anaesthesia lasts only 20 minutes so is not practical.
Ket will destroy your bladder too (but in very high doses).
it's another "must have" experience in altered states ~ disassociation allows your mind to "fill in the sensory void" as it searches for the lost feed ... that's my best take on it.
fucking wild ride if you take my dosing guidelines seriously.
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$120 AUD for .1 gram (100mgs) of K? I used to get bottles that had 1000mg's and I'd dry them out in the oven til it was powder and sell them by the quarter of a gram. The bottles were only $100 so I sold .25 for $50 and just doubled my $$$ as I was a teenager and had no idea how much it was supposed to go for or usually went for.
Also, I've always thought that the right dose of Ketamine or PCP would work wonders during opi WD. It seems like K would be great for PWDs if you took sub too early before in complete WD. Or it would help the pain while waiting to be sick enough to take sub.
The Ketamine infusion clinics are advertising it for chronic pain and opiate withdrawal.
@Chip me and you might as well just email or PM each other as we're the ONLY folks that post on here anymore or at least regularly.
Folks PLEASE start posting more as me and chip need other opinions besides each other's LOL.
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LOL :)
i'm used to low traffic and these days, there are plenty of other bigger, popular sites.
there are so many more communications options.
there is also facebook.
Opiophile was a very well thought out content-professional site where people had a voice and could finally share stuff that was largely kept hidden ... but that was from 2005 and the world has changed rapidly and exponentially since then.
so what does this place offer ? a cozy home if you want it; just be respectful and courteous to one another, is all we ask.
i know that i generate a lot of crap that can be found anyway but it's all i got these days.
@bignasty, there are some really funny folks here and every time that i get a laugh or see people helping each other, I for one, certainly feel happy.
i'm sorry to be appear to be a bit of a megalomaniac at times but with such a quiet site, an array of staff isn't warranted and i will fight to keep you and your data safe. after all, we are all in this together.
my "post or fuck off" classic "dummy spit" email was just uncool and embarrassing.
to reiterate, we appreciate every body that contributes.
we don't shake you down or spend the treasury on dope ... not without repaying it, of course ::)
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I’ll start posting more... where can you go to get ketamine infusions? A clinic? I wonder if I can get it with my sub script. I’m gonna research.
Post Merge: August 20, 2018, 08:55:01 AM
Wow that was super quick... I did a quick google and found a place about 40 minutes from me. I made an appointment for the Friday when I get back from vacation. I will report back with prices and how it works...
Wonder if they dose you the first visit or what?
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I’ll start posting more... where can you go to get ketamine infusions? A clinic? I wonder if I can get it with my sub script. I’m gonna research.
Post Merge: August 20, 2018, 08:55:01 AM
Wow that was super quick... I did a quick google and found a place about 40 minutes from me. I made an appointment for the Friday when I get back from vacation. I will report back with prices and how it works...
Wonder if they dose you the first visit or what?
I'm pretty sure they do if you have the money and are considered a good candidate for the treatment. And since this stuff really isn't FDA approved, I have a feeling that you ARE a good candidate as long as you have the $$$. I mean ketamine is FDA approved but they're using it off-label for depression, anxiety and chronic pain.
Please let us know how it goes as soon as you go to the appointment. They didn't tell you any prices over the phone?
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No they were VERY vague over the phone to be honest. Like when you make an appointment the first time with a pain management or sub doctor vague.
I’ve had three back surgeries and was in pain management for several years and then self reported myself as running out early and got on suboxone legally. I’m still prescribed suboxone and I was up front with them about it. I was told the first appointment was $150 cash but that would change based on treatment.
I don’t know what that means exactly beyond just bringing $150 with me. Money isn’t an issue but I also have no interest in paying $150 for “evaluation” if I’m not gonna get dosed on site or leave with a prescription in some capacity.
Post Merge: August 22, 2018, 04:30:43 AM
I actually just called them back because I had a message to call back. Fuck me I must have misunderstood- it’s $450 PER VISIT for depression and $800 PER VISIT for chronic pain but they are also a pain management clinic so I don’t know what that means exactly. However you can pay over time for the visits on “care credit” and need at least $150 cash to be dosed. It sounds like this place was new as I talked to someone completely different this time and he said he just started yesterday (Monday) and the person I spoke to on Saturday is no longer with the company. Very odd, not sure what to make of it.
$800 PER VISIT? I’m not sure it makes sense at that...
Also, the guy on the phone sounded fairly adamant that you DO NOT get a take home prescription and they only IV dose you in the office and check on you/administer more ketamine if you need it every 30 minutes oevrna course of 3-4 hours. So he said you can expect to be at the office for 3 hours at the minimum for your first visit and once the dose is known 2 hours or so. So you get treatment in office and it’s supposed to last 3-4 weeks or longer.... does that even make sense? So it’s not something you take every day.
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is there a street option available ?
is Ket easy to acquire where you (OP or the reader) are ?
in Oz i can't find Ket anymore and would like to try it for Meth withdrawal.
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I have no idea... I have never done ketamine or known anyone that does it or sells it. I just saw this thread and did a little research.... I was gonna do it for pain relief and mood enhancement.... ie- depression. I thought what the hell it might be worth it to see.... but $800?
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i haven't spent that much on it in my life.
i came across it by accident.
it used to be popular in the club/dance scene so if you have friends that are in that scene then might be worth a try.
it's a profoundly interesting experience and would be keen to try it for Meth withdrawal induced depression. from what i can gather, it is indicated.
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i've talked to my psych about it & he's all for me trying it out but no way can i afford it. there's a few places in denver that do it. i've been toying with the idea of growing some shrooms & micro-dosing. i should pull the trigger, easy enough to get everything online.
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'shrooms would be wonderful.
good move, @MoeMentim !
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is there a street option available ?
is Ket easy to acquire where you (OP or the reader) are ?
in Oz i can't find Ket anymore and would like to try it for Meth withdrawal.
I've NEVER ran across it except when I was selling it in powder form after buying 10 ml vials of 100mgs/ml online thru Mexican/San Diego/Tijuana online pharmacies and evaping the liquid in the oven. Trust me, I regret selling all that K or regret not buying more. I think the bottles were $100 at the end but they were cheaper than that for a long time. If I could still get those bottles, I'd open up my own ketamine clinic if they're charging that much.
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my mom recently attended a talk given by my psych to family members of those afflicted with mental health issues. the topic of his presentation was ketamine. my very conservaite mother called me up, short of breath to say "remember that keta something you were trying to tell me about? i think you should try it! Dr Heacock says he's been blown away by his initial results! (unbeknowst to mom i've been keeping up with this in my visits with doc h). i can't afford it but have talked to him regarding other possibilities of me researching ketamine. i live close to Boulder, CO & that's kinda the spearpoint of this stuff today, so maybe...
i still think microdosing shrooms holds the most promise for me & doc is majorly interested in hearing about my first impressions. i just gotta pull the plug & jump in i guess.
Post Merge: September 20, 2018, 09:30:42 AM
also i have a 24oz Dale's Pale Ale, a fat bowl of grape krypt & a 54 Schwinn with your name on the treads, bitches. ;)
Post Merge: September 20, 2018, 09:33:07 AM
this auto-merge sucks. watch this, i'ma auto merge this right out my asshole :)
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hey, it took me hours to debug and modify the automerge feature.
where's the love ? 😋
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@MoeMentim Do you know about how much it runs in your area? Have you called around to get the cheapest prices? If he's such a fan, it seems like he might be willing to RX the ketamine (or esketamine) nasal spray for his clients/patients to try.
I'm a believer and I haven't even tried it yet except for having it during surgery once. I haven't read a single bad thing about it yet except for the price. Hopefully, the price will come down soon or maybe the cartels will start bringing in Mexican pharm grade or vet grade ketamine bottles like I used to be able to get off the web for pretty cheap (really cheap compared to these clinics)
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if you can't find Ket easily then perhaps PCP will yield similar results ?
both are dissociatives and perhaps PCP's value here is thus far undiscovered ?
we don't have PCP here but i would SO much love to try it out.
can you guys find PCP ?
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ket infusions at my doc's place are $300/a go. might be cheaper in Boulder or Denver, haven't really looked. pcp is unatainable so far as i know.
i got no beef with auto merge, was pretty drunk. yep, back on the sauce. hopefully very temporary, shit sucks.
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if you can't find Ket easily then perhaps PCP will yield similar results ?
both are dissociatives and perhaps PCP's value here is thus far undiscovered ?
we don't have PCP here but i would SO much love to try it out.
can you guys find PCP ?
I've only ran across it once in my life in the hood in DC. You gotta know black folks to find PCP these days. They control the manufacture, sale and everything of it from what I've been told and have read as well. This black chick showed me a huge jar of this yellowish liquid that smelled like some strong ass chemical and told me she'd give me a free dipper which are usually $5 for a cigarette that's dipped halfway in the liquid real quick. She said you could get your whole cig or joint double dipped for $10.
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i'd love to try that. i've never came across it unless that's what was up with one super trippy shit looking skinny joint worth i lifted from dad circa 1986. blew my mind & i'm sure it wasn't straight weed. met all criteria for thai stick of the day which was supposedly super psychadelic & could have been just that i guess.
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I look at PCP the same as MDMA. I wouldn't want to do either unless I personally knew the cook or somehow knew it was pure without any impurities in it. There are too many videos on youtube of people going crazy AF on PCP and they took it off the market as a prescription anesthetic for a reason. It's known to cause folks to act crazy and be aggressive, etc.. If I did smoke some, I'd have to take a hit every 5-10 mins to make sure that I didn't take too much.
There's one video of an old black man shaking a decent sized but small tree back and forth like he's trying to pull it from the ground but his lower stomach by his belt line is cut straight across and his guts are literally hanging out of his body. He doesn't even know about his stomach but you can hear a young black girl that's filming it saying "Yo man, yo guts is hanging out. Somebody need to call 911 or an am-ba-lance for real y'all". It's fucking insane to think that shit can make u do shit like that and not notice your guts are literally outside your body.
Definitely rather have ketamine that's made by a pharm company than some PCP that's made by some bloods or crips in a factory in LA somewhere. My black friends in DC said you gotta have a west coast hookup to get PCP 'cause that's where they make it and it's dirt cheap in LA compared to the east coast. Black folks say they like it 'cause they know all their money is staying with their own people instead of going to Mexicans or shady higher-up white folks or Italian mob, etc.. like with other drugs.
As far as ketamine clinics costing too much right now...Maybe insurance companies will figure out it'll be cheaper for them to cover these ketamine infusions once a month than to pay for SSRIs, benzo's, anti-psychotics, fent patches/opana/pain meds in general, and a bunch of other meds used for depressions, anxiety and pain every month. I'm sure they'd definitely rather pay $300 for a ketamine infusion every month than to pay for a $5k to $20k hospital stay for a suicide attempt once every year or two. Maybe the insurance companies can bargain/negotiate with the ketamine clinics so they'll cover it and make it cheaper for everybody.....even those without insurance.
It seems like it'd be a win-win for the insurance companies AND the ketamine clinics 'cause like I said, the insurance companies would save $ on medications for severe depression/anxiety/pain and any suicide attempts or hospital stays or ER visits that could probably be prevented or reduced by the monthly ketamine infusions. And the ketamine infusion clinics would see a HUGE spike in their number of patients which in turn would make them more money. If I owned one of these clinics, I'd rather have 2,000 patients a day have their insurance pay me $100 ($200k/day) than to have 50-100 patients pay me $300 out of their own pockets ($15-30k/day).
My numbers might be off or unreasonable but you get my drift or my point that more patients equals more money even if you have to go down on the price a little. Like suboxone for example, I bet their stock price would actually go up if they went down from $7-8 per strip to even just $4-5 per strip as they'd get more patients trying suboxone and might even steal some patients from 'done clinics if they made it not cost so much. It's not like those strips cost much to make since both ingredients have been around for decades. But we all know that ain't gonna happen until their patent runs out or they get some serious competition from Bunavail or Zubsolv or Belbuca or Butrans or Probuphine or Sublocade or one of the other bupe medications.
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appointment in a week, first order of business is ket infusions, second is that i have shroom spores on the way for microdosing. also a trip or two because why not?
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sounds like a sound medical plan.
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Please let me know how the ketamine infusions go. Also, does anybody know what kinda dosages they're using for these infusions? I don't wanna use too little (or too much and go into a K-hole) if I try my own at home IV ketamine "infusions" AKA shots.
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i'd say you're looking at around 80-120 mg (but that's just a wild guess) and of course, body weight has some bearing on it.
the K-hole is OK too as you need the full experience of the "re-emergence" syndrome to trigger the feelings of "getting it all together".
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So, I've only done ketamine in recreational use, rave type settings, but they've come a long way in accepting it medically in the last couple years. My friend just took part in a trial for 6 weeks, 2 iv infusions a week. It was just the ketamine, no diazepam, so the dissociative effects were present.
She got in on this cause her dads a doctor and one of his doctor friends was looking for more test subjects to use for a study hes doing now in the USA, already did this study in uk.
It is usually used for depression, which she does have. In this case it was used to treat a dissociative episode that was going on for weeks, she felt like everything was fake, was manic, etc. Seemed strange to treat dissociative disorders with dissociative drugs but hey, I'm not a doctor. This dissociative disorder she has just started after she got clean btw, so it may be some feeling that others of us experience but cant describe in the way a doctor would.
And I don't meant that it happened during withdrawal, just as a part of paws. Happening after she was clean for a month, she got it and was first treated with klonopin, which only helped till it was gone. Came back in a month and the doctor was unwilling to give more klonopin, and she asked around what to do from some friends of her dad, doctors, and stumbled upon this option.
It must be becoming more common, as there is a ketamine doctor in my town now too, a medium sized city, which just got there a few months ago.
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what did she say? did it help?
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Yes, she says it helps. It's been less than a month since the last session so idk long term, but in the meantime it broke her out of the unreality/mania and depressed cycle. She's back to being coherent and going to work. So there's definitely something to it, i'm not sure if they know how and why it works, hence the experiments.
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When i first started using Ket., i overheard a discussion at a nightclub where one person said to the other "I only started to like myself after using Ket."
... i never got depressed after a night on the K. but it is no longer something i want or can seek out ... it works.