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Title: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 18, 2016, 12:00:54 AM
Hey there. I haven't posted in a bit, been busy with school. When I signed up I posted about the slow methadone taper I've been doing for the last year +. I finally made it down to 30 mgs last week and went to my doctor to set a date to transition onto bupe. I'll take my last dose of methadone on a Sunday, then have an appt 4 days later on Thursday for my Subutex induction. I'm so freaking nervous, but so relieved to think that I will be out from under the control of the 'done clinic in a little more than a week. Don't get me wrong I'm grateful for MMT. It literally saved my fucking life when I got on it, I just never thought I'd be on it this long. The side effects (sweating, significant weight gain, fatigue) and the control the clinic has over people's lives are my main reasons for wanting to get off.  I get a week of take outs every week, but should've been getting a months worth at a time years ago. Anyway, that could be a whole other post.
Bottom line, I'm pretty freaked out about the transition. I've heard so many different things from different people. From the subs took away all w/d symptoms the 1st day to they didn't do anything at all or even that they caused precipitated withdrawal even at 72 hours after last methadone dose. I'm waiting an extra day to make sure I don't take the subs too soon, so I'm pretty sure I won't have to worry about the PWD, but I'm sure I'll be plenty miserable for at least days 3 & 4. I do have some comfort meds, but I've been reading a lot about different vitamins & supplements being really effective for some of the w/d symptoms. Anyone have any experience with that? And most importantly, has anyone here done a methadone to subutex/suboxone induction?
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Chip on June 18, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
I can't help but I thought 20 mg. was the highest dose that one could transition from.

keep us posted, please.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dog Food on June 18, 2016, 02:42:18 AM
I would completely stop the done and use a short acting opiate for about a week then do the normal induction everyone else does. Why make yourself suffer for 5 days then end up with pwds when you coulda just bought a couple grams or so and maintained on that till time to induct.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Snout on June 18, 2016, 03:44:50 AM
I did this a long time ago. It was unpleasant. I cAnt recall exactly, but I think I got down to 20 Mgs done before switching . I don't want to set you up mentally, but it took about 5 days until I was feeling normal again. It was 2006 I think. Good luck
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Chip on June 18, 2016, 04:46:31 AM
yeah, I'd even leave it until 15 mg.

just try to get as dopesick as possible and then the transition will be easier.

no pain, no gain, in this game.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 18, 2016, 01:17:19 PM
@dogfood I've thought about that. Not actually doing dope, I've been clean for 8 years on MMT, but about switching to a short acting med for a week or so first. I actually have a pretty awesome stockpile of IR meds that I've been sitting on for a long time "just in case" (You know, gotta be prepared for anything) that would probably do the trick. In fact my doc had already said that I could take short acting meds for my first 2 days off methadone. Just said I needed to be 12 to 24 hours off of even those before she starts my subs. I could just stop taking the methadone a couple of days sooner than planned and take the oxys instead. I'm clear that that PWD shit is no joke, so I'm willing to do whatever to avoid that.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: dizzle on June 18, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
Yeah I'd NEVER, in a million years take subs after methadone, unless I was down to like 2mg of done. I'm sorry but I have to say this is a horrible idea if you don't have a short acting opitae inbetween. Also, I'd wait AT LEAST 72 hours after taking the done.

It sounds like you're putting a lot of trust in that sub doctor. but hopefully you know that most sub docotrs know fuck-all about bupe. Especially transitioning FROM METHADONE. 30mg's is too high to jump. 72 hours isn't really enough IMO. My only advice to you is to be incredibly careful when you dose the subutex. I'd start insanely small, like 1mg, give it 30-40 mins and see how that goes, then if not horrible, and actually seems to help a bit, then take another 1mg. Id not take more than 4mgs that first day either.

IME bupe seems to really act more antagonistic at higher doses. "Less is more" is the way bupe works, especially when transitioning.

Good luck to you.



Also, I'm intrested what "CONTROL" the done clinic has over you? Do you mean stopping in once a week, peeing in a cup, and giving them money? It's somewhat unclear to me. Also, did your side effect symptoms get alleviated when you dropped down to 30mg? Did you try to stabilize yourself there for a bit and see if that helped the side effects? Just wonderin....
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dog Food on June 18, 2016, 08:24:00 PM
Youd have to take a short acting opiate for at least a week to be worth it. Just stopping the done then taking perks for 2 days doesnt erase the done in your system. The idea is to take a short acting drug like perks for a week at least if not a lil more so the done gets out. Doin perks for 2 days then sub on day 3 would be no better than stopping done and then taking sub on day 3.  I wouldnt personally touch sub till a week after the done, precipitated withdrawals are no joke,the worst thing ive ever gone through. Ive been putting off taking sub for at least a month now, cause they make me feel worse the first day or two.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 18, 2016, 10:57:59 PM
@dizzle, where should I start?  The clinic that I go to isn't a juice bar. I wish it was. They require groups which are a total fucking joke most of the time, 1x1 counseling, etc. Also their policy on weed usage is bullshit. Weed is now legal for recreational use in my state, and has been legal for medical use for years. I don't even smoke, but was using topicals (a salve for pain relief) which is mostly CBD based but has a small amount of THC in it. I tested positive at literally the lowest cutoff level and they cut my takeouts in half. Now, they're saying that I need to stop filling my (very small) ativan script or go back to 5 day a week dosing with only weekend takeouts. I've had it for more than a decade without ever increasing the dose and my primary doc already had the psychiatric nurse practitioner in her office take over prescribing it almost a year ago when my clinic insisted it couldn't be prescribed by a pcp anymore. So, I'm just over it really. And no, my side effects really haven't gone away as I went down. A little more energy maybe, but for the most part no.

@Dog Food, I didn't mean I was just going to take the short acting for two days. I'm clear about that PWD being no fucking joke! My original plan was to stop the 'done on a Sunday (my sub induction would be 4 days later on Thursday) I was just wondering if you thought it would be a better idea to stop the done 2 EXTRA days earlier, say take my last dose on Friday so I have 6 days between that last dose & my sub appt. I would take short acting opis for the first 4 days, then nothing (except benzos & other comfort meds) for the last 2 days before my appt. That should be more than enough time for the done to be out of my system I think.

Oh, and @dizzle I'm not an expert by any means, but when my clinic switches people over to subs from methadone they do it at 30mg too. I'm sure the lower you can get the better, but 30 is pretty common here.

Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: DeadCat on June 18, 2016, 11:09:33 PM
I agree with the previous posts. However you go about it, wait until your truly dopesick, not just "uncomfortable" before you take the Subutex, and start with a tiny dose. You  can always take more but if you take too much too soon get the puke bucket ready.

The one time I went through percipated withdrawal I had been gettting by on scraping empty stamp bags for a day and it wasn't enough. Beofre I went to bed I put an 8mg tablet under my tongue. I fell asleep and then woke up 100% dick after maybe an hour. The worst lasted all night and I didn't take any more Subs.

After a day I was basically OK and the next day one of the guys I would middle for wanted me to get him something and I was  actually well enough to debate going in to get it. But of course I did.

Bottom line: wait as long as you can stand it. Technically you are supposed to induce under medical supervision and they are supposed to examine you and find physical evidence of opiate withdrawal before administering any buprenorphine.

Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 19, 2016, 01:24:00 AM
Yeah, I'm for sure doing it under my doctor's supervision. She said she uses the COWS Scale and I have to have a certain score before I can take my 1st dose. She did say that my 1st dose would be 4mg though, and that I would go up by 4 every 30-40 minutes as needed up to 16mg. She said she never goes higher than 16 the 1st day and that most people don't need to go higher than that. I've been hearing that less is more with bupe from a lot of people, so I'm thinking I may ask her if I can start with 2mg instead and do smaller increases.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Griffin on June 19, 2016, 05:19:10 AM
I would wait the 6 days for sure! I had the idiot doctor do the cows scale with me, and they sent me into pwd had to have my gf drive me home because i was shaking so intensely and basically shitting and puking on myself for the 3 days, of course the doctor wouldn't answer the phone during that period after he put me into pwd to tell me if i needed to take more of the subs or wait, so i ended up waiting 3 days going through hell.

I hear you on wanting to leave the clinic, my fucking counselor who is awesome is leaving for another clinic because the cilnic i am at is a money hungry for profit clinic, os they are always doing stupid shit to increase profits and fuck over the counselors and patients. Now the clinic director who is the biggest cunt in the world is my counselor until the person they hired gets upto speed. I hate the guy, he is such a prick, constantly an arrogant, condescending asshat.

He is probably going to fuck over my chances of getting 2 weeks of take homes at a time next week when i am supposed to get it, I can just hear it now him coming up with bs reasons why I can't move up that my other counselor already okayed. Other than taht i really like my clinic its just the director is a dumb asshole, and my counselor who kicks ass just left so it's definitely on the down swing.

They luckily just changed their policy back to letting people on 2 weeks at a time only have to do one counseling session or one group a month instead of both, they are still screwing over all the pot smokers, and people who aren't at that level, with 4 groups and a counseling session a month, and insurance will only cover 1 a month. So I am luckily past that point and wish you the best on your adventure... dont take subs until you feel like or start puking and pissing out your ass at the same time.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Chip on June 19, 2016, 05:19:31 AM
yeah, demand to be supervised if you must do this but why do it at all ?

you can still taper from the 'done, can't you stay with it ?
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Griffin on June 19, 2016, 09:46:49 AM
I think he doesn't want to be married to the clinic anymore chip, which is understandable. It was so much easier when I was on subs except for the money part of it. I only had to go in once a month or less, and I could schedule it on my own time, I didn't have to do monthly counseling sessions and groups, I could smoke pot, and drink, I could save up a rainy day fund, which I could do now technically I just don't have the will power which is sad since I get nothing outta taking it.

I hope that in the future methadone regulations are eased up quite a bit, it is so annoying especially when you want to travel, you don't have to make all these arrangements and be approved by the clinic. If i need extra take homes or have more take homes than I am allowed, it has to be approved by the clinic and then they have to send it to the state to be approved. If I guest dose its a hassle and the last place I went to was $25 a day to dose there.

It seems so much better I wish it worked for me and that it wasn't so expensive. When I was on subs I lost my job and my insurance I had through it and my 28 script was $600 and the doctor refused to write me for generic sublingual bupe/naloxone even though it was less than 1/3rd of the price, and when I argued with him about it I was kicked out of the program now that I could of stayed but it is still irritating.

The doc had no reason to not prescribe generics. I accused him of taking kick backs from Reckitt benckiser. That was the only logical conclusion I could come up with for him to refuse to prescribe me the exact same medication that was 1/3 of the price.

It made absolutely no sense to me, and he couldn't list one reason why he wouldn't prescribe the generic version of the exact same medication after I had lost my job and insurance. I asked if he would rather risk having a patient relapse, and possibly od and die instead of prescribing the generic, and he still refused. How can he pretend to be about anything other than money.

It was november of 2013 and with the switch over to obamacare happening and me having a pre-existing condition now thanks to being on subs for 10 months, the cheapest plan I could find that would cover it was $550 a month for just me, because I would have to switch plans in january when obamacare came in effect.

Lucky for me my methadone and treatment is 100% free with medicaid, medicaid here is amazing they just paid for my dui classes to which would of cost me $350 for the 6 classes, intake, and exit assessment. My clinic costs 230-400 a month with no insurance and with kaiser it's 60 a month, and that is the only insurance besides medicaid which is free that they take. My clinic is a for profit clinic and they are very adamant about the for profit part of it.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 19, 2016, 01:37:39 PM
@Griffin , yep. That's the main reason. Being married to the clinic is getting old. I just finally got a decent counselor again, but still. Like yours it's the director & the doctor at mine that are total fucks. They're both on a huge power trip. And it's 100% for profit too. It's crazy how hard they make it for people to taper & get off, but have no problem increasing people's doses up to 300mg a day or more. It's all about the $$. It's taken me over a year to get from 85 down to 30, and so many fucking hoops to jump through. The doctor only approves your taper down to a certain dose, then you have to go through the whole dose eval process with your counselor again to get a new order. That takes 2 to 3 weeks to get approved each time. Then the whole process again every 20-25 mgs or so. And if I don't get a pregnancy test every 30 days forget it, I have to hold my taper. It's fuckin maddening.
I know I could just continue this very long & drawn out methadone taper @chipper but it would take for fucking ever. I'm off school for the summer, but got accepted into a pretty academically challenging program that starts in the fall. So really the subs are the quickest route for sure. I can't imagine trying to taper down to zero while I'm taking 14+ credits and taking care of my kids. I'm just not that tough man.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Z on June 20, 2016, 11:32:12 AM
The American methadone experience is pretty different from places like Australia,  the UK and Canada chipper. I have trouble understanding this too,  but I am not bothered by the minimal hoops I have to jump through here.

Honestly my addiction was a lot more invasive. My doctor and pharmacy are both nice though,  and the whole thing is pain free.  Even here though,  there are people that hate the restrictions methadone puts on them.  For me I look at it as a sacrifice to deal with my addiction.  I think that if I got to the point the OP is at I would look at tapering off methadone entirely instead of switching to subs.

FWIW I have heard lots of different estimates for transitioning onto subs.  When I started on methadone I asked my doctor about switching to subs.  He told me that his experience was that it took 5 to 7 days before you can switch without pwd.  It seems to me that if you are going 7 days without and you are stable,  then maybe you should just quit.  Make a taper plan with the oxy if you want to take the edge off,  but give it a shot first. Just my 5 cents.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dog Food on June 20, 2016, 07:38:39 PM
Yep i agree, if you got a lot of oxy saved up, just taper with those.  Subs are a bitch to taper with just like done cause of the half life being so long.  I would never jump from a maintenance med, i always tell people to taper down low then switch to a short opie and take only enough to take the edge off.  Subs are only good for maintaining a habit in my opinion
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Chip on June 21, 2016, 06:06:11 AM
chipper, but it would take for fucking ever. I'm off school for the summer, but got accepted into a pretty academically challenging program that starts in the fall. So really the subs are the quickest route for sure. I can't imagine trying to taper down to zero while I'm taking 14+ credits and taking care of my kids. I'm just not that tough man.

@Dog Food, with the Subs PWD route, it's going to be faster: the anti-antagonist nature of bupe is that it will lower your short-term-to-0 tolerance.

the more the pain, the faster you get through it. your call.

i understand your position ... a little fast pain may in order. much luck, bro' !
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 21, 2016, 11:10:58 PM
Oh , for sure @chipper I definitely plan on waiting long enough to start the subs that the PWD isn't an issue! If I'm not sick as fuck I'm not taking them yet. By the day of my induction I will be 5-6 days since my last methadone dose and 36 hours off oxys or any other short acting opis. Hopefully that'll be long enough.

My doc says that she's starting me out on subutex for the first couple of weeks until I stabilize, then I'll switch over to suboxone. She says it's easier to do inductions with the subutex. I've had 3 different people tell me that you don't even need to worry about PWD on subutex bc it doesn't have the naloxone in it. I'm no expert, but I thought it was the bupe itself that could cause PWD if you take it too soon. Anyone know which is true?

@Dog Food I wish I had enough oxy to do a straight taper off the methadone just using those. Shit, that'd probably take at least a month. I have plenty for a week or so, but I don't think that'll cover it.


 much luck, bro' !
By the way, I'm a girl. For some reason every time I've posted on here people assume I'm a dude lol. No worries, I just thought I'd mention that.  ;D
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Chip on June 21, 2016, 11:51:40 PM
yeah, the bupe kicks the Methadone of the receptors and sticks to it thus causing the PWD. No Naloxone required.

You lessen that by getting very ill first.

Sorry, much luck sister ... the detox from bupe will be utilmately easier.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: dizzle on June 22, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
ahahahah@"Subutex doesn't cause PWD because it doesn't have naloxone"


hey, GUISE, BUPRENORPHINE CAUSES PWD, naloxone is only there because the jerkoffs at reckitt-benkiser had to come up with a "new" formulation in order to get a patent, they were driving bupe towards the junky market and sold it at a maintenance med to the FDA and DEA as "an abuse proof" med, because if those dirty junkies tried to crush them up and IV them they'd get hit with a big dose of naloxone.


Also, if you dose subs under the tongue the naloxone is basically not active and is a moot point anyway.


Even if you IV suboxone, you'll not even really get the effects of Naloxone anyway, because the Ki at Mu receptors is much higher for bupe than naloxone, so again, it's a moot point.


If you take ANY FORM of bupe, and you have a habit, YOU WILL GET SICK, no two ways about it. Asinine people talk about the "blocker" in subs, like they know WTF they are talking about, what they don't realize is that BUPE is the "BLOCKER" it's the thing that gets you sick, it's the thing that prevents you from getting high when you're on it, the naloxone is moot, it's there for other (bullshit) reasons.


I hate subs with a passion, if you can't tell. They are fucking awful. Honestly, I don't like being in the same room as them...


I hope it all works out for ya. I do, but you should do your research, and bloolite isn't research, read medical journals, articles, tests, learn a bit of chemistry and learn about opiate receptors and how they work, how antagonists, agonists and partial agonists work, inverse agonists are weird too, hell read about covalent bonding opiates if you want your mind blown.


You probably haven;t heard anyting I've said, and that's OK, you have your mind made up, but even if you ignore everything I've said up to this point, let me leave you with this: DO NOT ASSUME THE DOCTOR KNOWS WTF THEY ARE DOING that COWS scale is bullshit, and is influenced far too much by psychosomatic factors, LEARN ABOUT THIS SHIT YOURSELF AND BE YOUR OWN ADVOCATE. doctors watch a 90 minute video and take a short test to get that fancy DEA # to prescribe bupe, 90% don't know WTF they are doing. The other 10% actually have good expereince and can be helpful, however I personally wouldn't take a 1 in 10 chance that I could end up in PWD.... just sayin...
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Griffin on June 22, 2016, 06:05:31 PM
I don't know if this has been talked about, but how long are you going to be on bupe? If your going to try to be good by the fall you should try to drop down to 20mg on methadone and then taper with what ever short acting opes you got now. There really is no point getting on bupe if your about to kick anyway. By wasting the short acting opi's on this your going to have to deal with a more prolonged kick, and if your only going to taper with it for a short time I think your making it worse for yourself.

Your going to need probably 10 days after a week taper of short acting opes to get to the point where you are getting better each day. Then after that your going to need probably a month and a half to a year to start feeling normal so if your wanting to be ope free and not suicidal and in agony 24/7 in the fall you ought to kick now with what you got instead of drawing it out and using the short acting goodies.

I c/t in jail of 280mg of done and 4 months later I still had a ton of w/d symptoms and was not a happy camper, obviously you being on a lower dose probably wont be like that but paws is the thing to worry about not the kick. You definitely want to be done with the worst of the paws if your trying to do anything worthwhile. Then again I am quite a wuss when sick and depressed most people probably handle it better than me.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Chip on June 22, 2016, 07:10:53 PM
@Griffin - your 280 mg. Methadone "jailhouse cold turkey" is as hellish as it gets.

I don't know how you coped and would like to know in more detail how that played out.

which were the worst days and what meds did you get, if any.

were you supervised, etc. ?
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 23, 2016, 02:58:32 AM
Holy fuck @Griffin 280mgs c/t is fucking insane. I can't even wrap my brain around that shit man. To answer your question though, I'm not trying to be opiate free by the fall. Just methadone free. I plan on staying on subs for the foreseeable future. Unless I'm in total misery after being on them for awhile I'm planning on being on them at least a year before I even think about tapering. I know a lot of people probably don't see the point in switching from one maintenance med to another, but I just see too many benefits for me in getting off methadone. The side effects have really kicked my ass. I have gained so much damn weight on this shit, and it doesn't matter if I consume nothing but fucking kale and water, the scale isn't budging. Not to mention the sweating, and that's the same at 30mgs as it was at 155mgs. Subs are a script I fill once a month, no groups or "counseling" and there's no need for a papal dispensation and a presidential pardon if I want to go on vacation for more than 6 days lol. I'm just over it basically. I have an amazing doctor who has been my doctor for 7+ years and is really knowledgeable about bupe & addiction in general, so I really do trust her. I mean, I'm nervous sure, but I really think it's the best option for me.
I really appreciate everyone's comments, info & answering my questions. I'm sure I'll have 20 more before I'm done with this.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Griffin on June 24, 2016, 09:48:07 AM
Oh in that case hopeless you are on the right track, just erase my last post from your mind and read mine from last page about the benefits of having a month at a time sub script and not having to deal with clinic bs. You will have to deal with the doctor which is what made me get on done, some of those docs are pure assholes so hope you get a good one, and that you can afford it and that your insurance covers it my subs were $560ish/month w/o insurance and my doc told me to fuck off.

The jailhouse kick from 280 was hell! Like getting the shit kicked out of you when you have a stomach bug trying to hang around with a bunch of other people 24/7 while sleeping on concrete with a tiny towel for a blanket. The 1st week I'd get one 325mg tylenol twice a day, and the 2nd week I was giving 1 mg of immodium once a day but after that week they stopped giving em both. They were afraid I'd get stomach problems or constipated even though water was still coming out both ends.

The reason I could only get 2 tylenols and not 3 was because they didn't want it to hurt my stomach. The inmates were extremely cool and only 7 of them for the first 4 weeks, which is what saved me. Each day they talked me out of my suicidal mentality of hanging myself from the top tier or whatever else i could think of. They also saved there sweets and gave them to me because I couldn't eat at all for 8 days, and just 2-3 bites after that until day 16 so all meds stopped at end of week 2 after. I lost 25lbs in 3 weeks.


THE WORST was sleeping, no sleep at all!!!
The beds were freezing metal and so uncomfortable and painful. NEVER COULD GET ANY WARMTH NEVER!!!  We had one thin sheet and one under sized blanket that provided less warmth than the blanket was more abrasive than a towel and smaller than one. It didn't cover up half your body. I used my extra shirt, towel, wash rag, and socks on top the blanket for more warmth. I had my tp by the bed to help with the tears gushing constantly down my cheeks, I was trying to read so once every 3 secs i'd have to wipe the tears away or they'd fall down my face or to the pillow.

You can't get comfortable no matter what you do, my NECK, back, and hips hurt so bad and your always soo tired, weak, and cold with tears and snot flowing. I was lucky that in that jail I had my own cell and toilet so puking and shitting was in somewhat privacy. 

it took 2 weeks for me to sit down long enough to play cards because of how bad my bones hurts. between day 14-17 it started getting better each day. The worst part was not sleeping, it was about 60 degrees in the pod, so add being freezing and everything else to the insomnia and i went 6 days with zer sleep then i would sleep 1-3 hours every other day until day 30 when i switched to the other jail it was a bit warmer and with in a week i was able to sleep almost all the way through the night if i did enough exrercise

The water was always luke warm or room temp which is really annoying when your thirsty and want a good drink! The guys in that pod saved me they really did.

I have a whole other post if you want to hear about its all from the 2nd jail i was at after the first 30 days and there is more to add to that one to if you want me to post it. if you want to hear more let me know  i will tell you about getting transferred to the other jail. The other one i was only in 10 days this times this time,

The jail I got transferred to is the same jail i went to the first time i ever got arrested so i could tell you about the week i spent in there kicking in jail for the first time and the whole first arrest and jail experience stuff that was shitty! and then I can let you know how it was in the bigger jail copared to the little jail and all that stuff or anything else you want to know or if you want to hear some more horrror stories of w/d in jail i got those to just let me know if you wan to hear any of it.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: dizzle on June 24, 2016, 12:02:55 PM
@Griffin


I'd like to hear more. I love jailhouse stories.
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on June 24, 2016, 01:21:24 PM
@Griffin
Hells yeah. I'd love to hear more. Can you link to the other thread? I've never kicked methadone in jail (or anywhere for that matter) but I did have to kick dope in jail 2 or 3 times in the late 90s and fuck if that wasn't miserable. Nothing compared to what you went through I'm sure but it's seared into my memory forever!
Title: Re: MMT to Sub induction in 10 days-any advice?
Post by: Griffin on June 25, 2016, 09:50:14 AM
I can bitch about this shit all day so there shouldn't be any shortage of stories. So I get arrested finally and my phone was unlokced and the cop started looking at it first at my pics which i didnt mind then he went to the texts cause he thought i coudlnt' see even though the dick head was right in front of me in the front seat. I got so pissed, he was acting like cool saying he was just trying to figure out how to turn it off and that he wasn't loooking through it, even though i'd watched him for 20 secs.

So he finally put it up and asked him i wanted my car towed or left, and I said towed, well when my brother came to pick it up a week later they couldnt find it they didn't know what tow yard they used or where it was at, and it took them an hour and a half to find my car. Then with my brotehr there he need some docs notorized so he could get my stuff and there was a solid door between us and we asked him we oculd see eachother or if i could him a hug before he left since he drove 11 hours to do this for me, they told me no.

So when i got into jail i snuck taking abou 6 mgs of xanax after they blood test me cause they are idiots, and i don't remember much of the booking process just waking up after a full nights rest going into my pod with 6 other guys. 2 black guys my age one guy, one white guy my age who'd been to prison twice and caught another charge on parole he was a buff dude, a cool ass mexican(who was basiclly white) dude in for a parole violation. and one chomo who got caught raping his 8 yr neice who had down syndrome.

The chomo had already had 2 previous sex against kids charges before and he was there for 2 years fighting it from 50 years down to 15. All the guys mins the cho were awesome. the black guys got screwed over hard and the 2 parole violators i felt awful for because they were really nice cool dudes. first day they could tell I was a bit sick, I told them I was about to kick so so just beware and they all said if you want our sweets you can have them, i told them i probably wouldn't eat much of my food the frist 2 weeks so i'd give it to them to split instead of throwing it away.

The black guy who was my age was out for a drive in bumfuck CO where I got arrested and ran out of gas because he wasn't paying attn, and he didn'th ave his card on him, so he ofereed the cashier his license and phone and eerything else he had to go get money and come back because he filled up before he realized he didn't have his card on him. and the cashier threw a bitch fit and ran after him and tripped so he got an assault charge on a disabled indvidual because  who isn't all there idk what the charge is but the cashier was in crutchs to get around so he was disabled or whatever which added to the charge,

Then they gave him felony theft felony, for stealing $30 in gas and then he decided to run when the cashier guy started hitting him and his car  and then his dumbass instead of pulling over took the police on a chase but didn't resisst. so he had been in there 8 months when i went in, he had never been arrested before that, and was extremely cool. They put his bail at 1 million and started his deals at either 25 or 20 years in prison, because he was black. He had been trying to get his bail reduced for 6 months and it didn't go down once.

there is a lot to talk this is just the first day meeting people. Buff white guy got in a fight with a guy his girlfriend was fucking and broke his window in his car, so they picked him up. The other guy on parole got completely fucked he was driving home and the cops pulled him over becuas ethye knew it was him and they arrested with no charges and said he resisted by standing straight up when they were hitting him in hte ribs. the only charge he got was resisting becasue they ahd no reason to pulll him over search him or arrest him. he got fucked.


Ill  type more about the jail life latter that is just a bio on the dudes in there with me they were all my age except the pedo who was in his late 50 and had already been in prison 3x for fucking kids. yet drug users would of got death penalties for getting arrested 3x for felony drug charges
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