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Title: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Lolleedee on November 13, 2015, 11:19:06 PM
CVS announced recently that they were expanding their Narcan without a prescription program to New Jersey!  I was very excited to hear this, as I think EVERYONE who is on opiates for any reason, be it a CPP, a recreational user or someone on maintenence should have it on hand.  It is a life saving medication that everyone should have.

Anyway, I called my local CVS down the road and talked to the pharmacist, who from dealings in the past, I loathe.  Anyway, I blocked my number so I could call anonymously and asked to speak to the pharmacist.  She gets on the phone and I ask her about the Narcan.  She says to me and I quote "We don't carry that medication for drug users." and then she HUNG UP ON ME!!!!  FUCKING BITCH!!!!!

So, I called another CVS, this one maybe ten minutes away and asked to speak to the pharmacist.  This young guy gets on the phone and says, sure, no problem!  Come in tomorrow and I will order it for you and answer any questions.  He told me the price (twenty dollars and change) and told me he would see me tomorrow!  Super nice guy!

Anyway, I have always hated CVS, but as you can see there are some good pharmacists sometimes.  NOw, what do I do about the bitch pharmacist?

It would be easy for me to just to let it go, but I'm not going to.  If I don't demand better treatment for those who take opiates for ANY reason, then I am only contributing to the stigma!  I would love to hear some ideas on how to handle this.  I was seriously thinking about going to the bitch in person and recording our encounter...if this is what she says to everyone, she needs to be stopped!  She is openly breaking her own store's policy!

Give me some ideas!  Thanks!

Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: thetalkingasshole on November 14, 2015, 01:37:16 AM
Boycott CVS instead of giving thek your money

They are a huge corporation that could give a fuck about saving the lives of the "morally ambiguous"
As the good Dr. Might put it

I would see about submitting a comment to corporate about how she wouldn't sell to you
and as a result... something that might very well may happen had you not been able to get it

There's always the old flaming rag in the gas tank prank but idk maybe that would be excessive
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Zoops on November 14, 2015, 04:10:03 AM
Let me guess, a young, just-out-of-pharm school grad?

SCARD TO DEATH! They get some sort of indoctrination these days in school, and only the squarest of the square seem to be wanting to go into that profession. Shit, back in the mid to late 90's when I was in school, it was a pretty mixed bunch. Some squares for sure, but about 30% of our class was at least down with smoking some reefer and getting drunk as shit on the weekends, or going on a bender after a rough exam, like even on Tuesday night.

And who else would narcan be for? Other than "drug users?" I mean even if you're getting your narcotics completely 100% legit, you're still a "drug user," in the strictest sense of the term. If you take penicillin, you're a "drug user," so what the fuck is that stupid bitch trying to say?

We don't carry that medication for "drug users." Fuck. That just makes my blood boil hearing that attitude from a pharmacist. They think they are the bee's knees don't they?

Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Lolleedee on November 14, 2015, 05:20:05 AM
Let me guess, a young, just-out-of-pharm school grad?

SCARD TO DEATH! They get some sort of indoctrination these days in school, and only the squarest of the square seem to be wanting to go into that profession. Shit, back in the mid to late 90's when I was in school, it was a pretty mixed bunch. Some squares for sure, but about 30% of our class was at least down with smoking some reefer and getting drunk as shit on the weekends, or going on a bender after a rough exam, like even on Tuesday night.

And who else would narcan be for? Other than "drug users?" I mean even if you're getting your narcotics completely 100% legit, you're still a "drug user," in the strictest sense of the term. If you take penicillin, you're a "drug user," so what the fuck is that stupid bitch trying to say?

We don't carry that medication for "drug users." Fuck. That just makes my blood boil hearing that attitude from a pharmacist. They think they are the bee's knees don't they?

She isn't young or just out of school!!!  She is a middle aged woman originally from India.  I actually do not use CVS for my prescriptions...changed to a mom and pop a looooong time ago due to their asshatery around filling legit narcotic prescriptions!  I really want to make an example out of her!  By refusing to fill (according to her employers company policy, no less!) she is putting lives at risk and it isn't right!  I'm not letting ths one go so easily.  Until drug users as a group start demanding the respect and care we deserve, people are going to continue to treat us like second class citizens!  I've had enough of this shit! I just need some ideas of what to do.  My first thought was a trip in person to request it and to film her response..then send it to the media.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Zoops on November 14, 2015, 06:08:09 AM
^^^That sounds like a very brave and courageous thing to do. Of course you'll get the "don't film me" bullshit from her, which will only add to the drama. Do you have a local news show that "investigates" stuff for the public? Like we have a channel "7 on your side" thing in the DC area.

That film, along with a well-written e-mail attached, should raise some eyebrows.

Make sure that you note in your letter that the only thing naloxone is good for is reversing potentially fatal opioid/opiate overdoses. It's not a controlled substance and has no potential for abuse at all.

Maybe you could ask her on film to please respectfully explain why, in light of those facts, and if it's consistent with company policy and compliant with state and local laws, she would still refuse to sell it to you.

Being a legitimately prescribed narcotics user does not make one immune to accidental overdose. In other words, just because you're requesting naloxone does not make it safe for her to assume you're a drug abuser in way, shape or form.

Anyone on moderate dosages of opioids for the treatment of pain could end up in an overdose situation due to drug/food interactions, or interactions with OTC medications that are unforeseen by anyone, without increasing the usually taken dosage. Or it could come from a combination of drug/food/and OTC med interaction, or accidentally taking it too early, or (<gasp>) a dispensing error on HER part.

You go get 'em Lolleedee! Do it for us! This type of ignorance on the part of health-care "professionals" comes at the expense of people's lives!
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Sand and Water on November 14, 2015, 08:13:22 AM
I agree with Zoops especially that's its very brave of you & they may try to play the "you can't film me" card. Im thinking its going to depend on your state laws, but imo, you're in a public place so it should be fine. Maybe try to discreetly do it?  I don't know if your local media would even go near it b/c of the politics and taking it "national" or to the net may put you under the microscope. I don't mean to sound discouraging, just was thinking of things that may cause you to be treated even more poorly than you already have been.

One thing i know WILL bring attention and keep you out of a spotlight is to report her to your states Pharmacy Licensing Board. They WILL investigate a complaint like yours as its in direct conflict with long established standards of practice. She may well get sanctioned (which is a mark on her license and will follow her), be required to attend CEU's to demonstrate competence in care and so on.  It's a BIG deal to have your license investigated and would be a huge embarrassment and hassle for her.Its also typically a confidential process, so she cannot go around talking about it/you. 

I would encourage *anyone* who's been treated unfairly by a medical professional (MD, RN, PharmD) to NOT leave it at the local level--ie the hospital, clinic or pharmacy store. There's oversight way beyond their business and these Boards aren't affected nearly as much by political pressure ($$$). They exist to safeguard the standards of care that must bet met in order to issue a License in the professions. Also, because of all the new fed regulations as a result of the FDA & other policing agencies, the Boards are up to date on the law etc, so it won't be you trying to explain this to a CVS District Manager who doesn't hold a license/know the law etc.

Just as a quick aside, the same holds true for those who are being run over by public defenders etc. Lodge a complaint with the Bar Association--word about those being investigated gets around FAST which is another bonus to re-educating this woman. 

Whatever you decide, Im so sorry you were treated like this--it's a reality, but the more people speak out, and complain, the more hope there is that these situations will become rare exceptions.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: St. Theresa on November 14, 2015, 11:41:37 AM
Go in and ask her for the narcan while a friend tapes her response.  im sure she'll make it worth while. She sounds like a wretched bitch.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: corlene on November 14, 2015, 11:51:59 AM
The pharmacists can always use their so called disgression to dispense anything. Even if it is legal. In nyc a pharmacy I used to frequent had a pharmacist who would sell ya a single ten packs or a box. The other pharmacist wouldn't and said goto the NX like the rest of your kind.

In nyc they are required by law to dispense to anyone that asks, no questions asked.

Don't even get me started about south florida. They apply their bs to everything that comes from behind the counter.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Wildcat on November 14, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
Loll-

great idea, I hope you do the interview-wear a vid cam like the cops are doing to record, they are not really that expensive-this way she will not know it's being documented, therefore you will get her responses in true form-then post up to youtube, hope it goes viral.

a couple days ago while wearing a 100mcg duragesic patch-I had been drinking gf juice, I had too much-and I have fent constantly in my system/fat cells-I started to really feel them and was super intoxicated to the point of nausea/vomiting-took patch off,but I still would have a lot in my system, and this really scared me-and I was thinking, I wonder if you can get narcan w/o a rx?- So yeah, narcan should available to all drug users regardless.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: dizzle on November 14, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
Go in and ask her for the narcan while a friend tapes her response.  im sure she'll make it worth while. She sounds like a wretched bitch.



this! Don't tell her she's being filmed as you don't need to since it's a semi-public place.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Lolleedee on November 14, 2015, 04:11:19 PM
I have recruited my best friend to tape this piece of shit on the sly!!  I also had her son call and ask for it (just on the very off chance she recognized my voice) and he was told they do not carry it and it cannot be ordered!

What really pisses me off is it was in the newspaper that CVS is offering this service
http://www.northjersey.com/community-news/2.4225/cvs-stores-in-nj-can-now-sell-narcan-without-a-prescription-1.1432751

The other thing that creams my corn (to quote Penny from TBBT!) is that it isn't her place to not dipense it when it is in opposition to company policy.  If this is CVS's policy then she should have to follow it, no questions asked.  It is appalling that anyone would be opposed to a medication that saves lives and has basically a perfect safety profile.  This is about discrimination!  This is a "health professional", a term that in this case I use loosely, that is NOT doing her job!!! 

I hope she says the same exact thing she said to me...or even something worse!  If she does you bet your ass I will call the newspaper and the television news!  Then I will slam her ass all over YELP!  I am sick of the stigma surrounding opiaates!  It is wrong, it is stupid and now thanks to that bitches bad attitude, i'm on a rampage!!!
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: St. Theresa on November 14, 2015, 04:32:20 PM
This is awesome lolleedee. Seriously. I love that you're doing this and am proud you aren't letting this go. We need to make this shit be seen.

Look at what wildcat just posted!

Please keep us updated on how this goes. And also what do you think you're going do with the video. ? Let's be smart about this so to keep your beef in a good light. Yey I'm excited.  :)
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Dhedmo on November 15, 2015, 04:32:24 PM
I'm interested in the follow-up to this.

On a practical note, I pimped local "Family Pharmacies" in TTA's Pain DOc thread, and I'll do it again here.
I never had a problem.

I would have thought they'd be far more expensive than the chains, but the opposite was true. Dramatically true, especially when I had no insurance.

Trust is more easily established because they actually know you and care about you, and vice versa.

That can be important.
I needed to fill my done rx, but couldn't pay until payday. There was one bottle left on the shelf.
At almost the same moment, JoeBlow comes in wearing a tee shirt that read (no lie) "Chronic Masturbator."
He had a script for done (don't know the quantity) and actually had his cash in hand.

"We just ran out," said the pharmacist.

Joe went home to do what he had to do, I guess.
I paid up on payday.


(When I had no insurance, CVS charged well more than DOUBLE the local pharmacy cash price. Walgreens was only slightly better,)

One named jumped out at me in that article, btw: Michael DeAngelis, director of public relations for CVS Pharmacy.
;)
Good luck!
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: clinton on November 15, 2015, 05:46:08 PM
Can she be reported for going against their policy ? Have you spoken to someone above her ?
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: SkyHigh on November 17, 2015, 12:20:38 AM
Would love to hear a follow up..have had many experiences dealing with self righteous pharmacists  (and a few awesome ones as well).
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: _Enduser on November 17, 2015, 12:28:21 AM
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She is a middle aged woman originally from India.
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Opus are we seeing a trend here  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Just playing I thought it was funny given my earlier post about Indians in healthcare
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Lolleedee on November 17, 2015, 02:38:49 AM
UPDATE:  I plan to do this on Thursday.  I did confirm that the bitch is working that day and my friend is available to do the taping!  I can't wait to see what I can get on tape!

I'm not sure exctly what I will do with the footage.  I haven't called anyone above her in the CVS company because I don't want to give them a 'heads up" that something is amiss.  I really want to make an example of this pharmacist...she needs to be put in her place, but more importantly it needs to be put out there that no one can get away with treating anyone, addict or not, so poorly and in direct conflict with best practice medical treatment and standards.

I think I would approach a news outlet with the footage (if she says this crap again!).  It's time to DEMAND respect and good care from these people.  I want the stigma to stop and I'm ready to do my part!  Wish me luck!

Also, if anyone has any ideas about what I should say or questions I should ask the pharmacist on tape or what to do with incriminating footage, please let me know.  I need all the help I can get!
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: DeadCat on November 17, 2015, 09:04:32 AM
Does your prescribing doctor knowabout the pharmacist's refusal? You might want to let him/her know and tell them when you are going in to try to fill it and ask if it is OK to call from the pharmacy to let the doc set her straight.

Also, I wouldn't blame it on CVS as much as the individual pharmacist. My sister as a CPP and would only go to the CVS becaues they would stock brand name opiates per her request.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Pullmyhair. on November 19, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
A couple thoughts I had about this:

First, as a pharmacist she is within her rights to not fill a script or dispense a drug if it is contrary to his/her professional judgement.

Second, not being a member of the press, recording someone without their knowledge and releasing the footage is illegal in most states. You could be charged criminally and be liable civilly. Your best, and really only legal recourse, would be to complain about her to the corporate office about how rude she was (again, whether or not to dispense a drug is up to her, I doubt cvs has a company policy that their pharmacist must always dispense even if it goes against their professional judgement), but even then I wouldn't expect a whole lot to come of it. I agree with you that it's bullshit, but I think complaining to corporate is really the only legal (and ethical) recourse you have.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Morfy on November 19, 2015, 01:14:32 PM

If you can document (by paper work, not covert video surveillance) the pharmacist's refusal to sell Narcan that would be a good first step.  This would be you requesting to buy Narcan, her refusing, her signing, documenting that she refuses to sell this product.


The next step is a horrible one; there will have to be a situation where someone ODs and is injured, or worse.  The link would be that IF the pharmacist sold Narcan to one of the victim's acquaintances, they could have given the victim a shot of Narcan, and prevented the serious injury or death.


The doctors at the hospital, or coroner/medical examiner would have to confirm that opiate overdose directly lead to the severe health problems, or death of the person in question, and that the pharmacist's actions (SVC as well) could be held liable.


An easier way, would be to contact SVC's customer complaint HotLine, and complain about this pharmacist, or the particular pharmacy.  PullMyHair suggests this.


Depending, SVC may well want to cover their asses, and will either allow you to buy the product online--by passing the particular pharmacist, or ordering that pharmacist to sell this life-saving product.




Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: dizzle on November 19, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
Against their professional judgement?

My only thing with that is that it's an opiate antagonist, that DOES NOTHING to non addicted people, and it's only aim and effect is to save the life of a OD victim.


I have no idea WHAT professional judgement would preclude her from dispensing naloxone.




I also THINK that there have been lots of "undercover filming" done, WHILE it MAY BE illegal to show the VIDEO in the media, it MAY NOT be illegal to play the audio, or even type out the sentences she said and have the reporter read them aloud, saying something akin to,

"we were told 'go stick a needle up your ass you junky scum' by the pharmicist at the CVS on blah blah road and whatever street, she is the head pharmacist on staff in the store, and BITCHY MCBITCHFACE has now been reported to several professional agencies, and the national management for CVS"


something like that, IDK, you get the idea. Then you keep the video for backup once this BITCHASS tries to lie and act like she didn't say XYZ.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Pullmyhair. on November 19, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
Against their professional judgement?

My only thing with that is that it's an opiate antagonist, that DOES NOTHING to non addicted people, and it's only aim and effect is to save the life of a OD victim.


I have no idea WHAT professional judgement would preclude her from dispensing naloxone.




I also THINK that there have been lots of "undercover filming" done, WHILE it MAY BE illegal to show the VIDEO in the media, it MAY NOT be illegal to play the audio, or even type out the sentences she said and have the reporter read them aloud, saying something akin to,

"we were told 'go stick a needle up your ass you junky scum' by the pharmicist at the CVS on blah blah road and whatever street, she is the head pharmacist on staff in the store, and BITCHY MCBITCHFACE has now been reported to several professional agencies, and the national management for CVS"


something like that, IDK, you get the idea. Then you keep the video for backup once this BITCHASS tries to lie and act like she didn't say XYZ.

I'm not saying that I agree with it or that it's right, but it's the same loophole that allows those Christian assholes from selling birth control. 'Professional judgement' is so subjective and open to interpretation that it could be used to refuse to sell pretty much any drug to any person for any reason. Again, it's bullshit, but I'm not really sure there can be anything done about it. (Unless you had shit loads of money for lawyers, and as morphy said, someone who you could prove was directly injured or killed because of this and then set a legal precedent about how that regulation should be interpreted and applied, or change/remove it altogether.)
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Opus on November 19, 2015, 02:49:49 PM
Recording people without their permission is a big no-no - you don't want to get caught doing that, at least here in CA you don't.

Any pharmacist refusing narcan should be asked if they refuse chemo drugs too (or maybe what if it was their kid who was od'd) whilst being repeatedly kicked in the junk.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: dizzle on November 19, 2015, 04:15:57 PM

I'm not saying that I agree with it or that it's right, but it's the same loophole that allows those Christian assholes from selling birth control. 'Professional judgement' is so subjective and open to interpretation that it could be used to refuse to sell pretty much any drug to any person for any reason. Again, it's bullshit, but I'm not really sure there can be anything done about it. (Unless you had shit loads of money for lawyers, and as morphy said, someone who you could prove was directly injured or killed because of this and then set a legal precedent about how that regulation should be interpreted and applied, or change/remove it altogether.)


ahhh...... I was unaware of that loophole. you're right.

although, if undercover filming is illegal, how do they do it when reporters expose shit like wrongdoing/lies/etc? I always thought that if it was in a public setting, it was allowed, but if done in private it's not OK, since in public you no longer have a reasonable expectation of privacy...I dunno, I guess I gotta check the laws and whatnot...
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: St. Theresa on November 19, 2015, 04:24:23 PM
I say fuck it and video her anyway. You don't have to upload it to the net or release it until you have all your shit together. Just don't be obvious. :)
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: whiteheat on November 19, 2015, 08:16:55 PM
Same kinda situation here in Ohio, asshole pharmacist refused to sell me needles...I proceeded to ask him questions while filming it on my phone camera..don't think he knew I was filming.. Actually I still have it cops were called because he said I was high on dope!   I was on 80 my methadone that's it.   Anyway after arguing with the police I got the hell out of cvs for good.


But it's your right to film in public don't need a press pass.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: thetalkingasshole on November 19, 2015, 08:25:42 PM
Doesnt there have to be a reasonable expectation you wont be recorded/filmed
For it to be considered "illegal"

As in, someome who goes into any store, ESPECIALLY a pharmacy
is going to be under video surveillance the second you step inside
if not also in the parking lot
And therefore has ZERO expectation of privacy
not even considering the fact they are in public

Too bad Ruth Ginsberg isnt a member here
we could have it answered in a jiff!

Yea yea I know Scalia is on here
but we already have enough nonsense posts
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Lolleedee on November 19, 2015, 09:02:14 PM
I say fuck it and video her anyway. You don't have to upload it to the net or release it until you have all your shit together. Just don't be obvious. :)

As far as I know it is legal for me to film myself...if bitch gets in the way, oh well!  I just want it as evidence...I may not even release it..though I will post it for you guys!

I know she has the option of not filing prescriptions that go against her professional judgement, but come on...this has NOTHING to do with professional judgement and EVERYTHING to do with stigma and prejudice! If she wants to pick and choose what medications people get, she should go to med school!  If this bitch was denying people insulin because she felt they should lose weight and eat better, this would be all over the news.  People would be outraged and this woman wouldbe public enemy number one!  But, if we are talking about addiction, we let people get away with this shit.  Is it because deep down we don't think we deserve the best possible care.  Until we all demand respect and settle for nothing less, this stuff is going to keep happening!!!  I, for one have had it!
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Pullmyhair. on November 19, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
Same kinda situation here in Ohio, asshole pharmacist refused to sell me needles...I proceeded to ask him questions while filming it on my phone camera..don't think he knew I was filming.. Actually I still have it cops were called because he said I was high on dope!   I was on 80 my methadone that's it.   Anyway after arguing with the police I got the hell out of cvs for good.


But it's your right to film in public don't need a press pass.

A business isn't public though. Especially at a pharmacy, there's a reasonable expectation of privacy. Even in public, you have to, in states that are two-party consent states, make the person you're filming or recording aware that you're recording them. In fact, audio recording laws are more stringent than video, recording video with audio has to meet both qualifications to be a legally obtained recording. Just because people do it, doesn't mean it's legal.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Z on November 20, 2015, 12:13:01 PM
I was under the impression that recording is legal as long as at least one of the parties is aware. f. ex. videotaped confession is legal when the confronter is knowingly filming.  Filming two women in a changeroom would be illegal, unless one of the women put the camera there.


I think this varies by case and situation.  Audio recordings are also another domain from video recordings.


It probably also depends on what you want to do with the footage.  Do you want to send it to CVS?  Probably not a problem.  Do you want to file a lawsuit with it?  You might like to consult with an attorney before doing this.  Considering that you would need one anyways, this seems like sound advice.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Griffin on November 21, 2015, 12:01:53 PM
Did you film it? I hope that things like this are shown so that they are forced to give people narcan if they want it. Some people just need to check their god complex at the door. There is no reason at all that she shouldn't of given it to you and lied about it. I hope the stigma with narcan goes away very soon and that people become educated on it. There are way to many overdoses that are completely preventable with this med and with the amount of people dying it is ludicrous to not allow people to have it.

 It is a sad time we live in. I see so many awful comments on news pages that have articles about narcan or heroin in general. A good percentage of the peoples comments say things like they deserve to die, and are better off dead, and how we need to stop wasting money on these people or just kill them etc etc. I hope people become more accepting of HR, nx's, and narcan so that we can't prevent some of these deaths and move towards helping people instead of making their situation worse.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: dizzle on November 21, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
Lolleedee-



I'm 100% in your corner on this one. If you can pull it off, just do it. You will have to be careful with what you do with the recording, ie you probably can't bring it to the press or something. Pullmyhair and TTA made some good points, and you should keep those in mind when you decide your future steps, IMO.


Though, regarding your passion for the "stand up for ourselves" thing, I find it invigorating. You've inspired me to create a thread here regarding something, and until today I had my mind made up, but I'm going to turn to this community for their opinion, because sometimes I think I forget this fight that were all fighting is very real, and we deal with it daily.



Also, if you're actually very interested in getting naloxone, I can probably arrange for that to happen. They give it away at the needle exchanges here in Chicago. Let me know. And not to derail this thread any further, I'll step out., I just may create another thread on the sending of naloxone to anyone that needs it/asks for it, now that I think about it...
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: St. Theresa on November 21, 2015, 03:04:34 PM
Ditto to dizzle and yeah I think you should. I'd help here if needed.


Do it lolledee. Wolverines!!!!
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Lolleedee on November 21, 2015, 03:52:43 PM
I was ready..girlfriend had her phone ready to record me, my adrenaline was pumping, I approached the counter and....bitch left early!  Ugh!!!  Really??? 

So we are going to go back this evening!  For some reason, I can't let this go.  I know that it probably won't change anything, but WE TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO TREAT US.....and I am DEMANDING better treatment!  I am so done with the judgemntal attitudes when it comes to drugs!  Do these stupid people who judge drug users realize that their "socially acceptable" drugs, alcohol and nicotine, kill more people than illicit drugs?  I have personally witnessed my father-in-law die a horrible death from smoking..slowly suffocating...struggling for every tiny bit of air..not to mention the cost of his health care in the last three years of his life!  A smart person would put nicotine in the "terrible, horrible, poison" category!  They should also realize that people can use opiates responsibly...just like some people can drink responsibly(and some can't!)

It amazes me that this stigma is still going strong.  Why should anyone care what the hell I take as long as I am safe (ie. not driving under the influence).  I love opiates.  They make me feel better.  They make me not want to kill myself every second of every day.  They help my pain, physical and mental.  And I will not feel bad about it or apologize for it another minute!!

@Dizzle  I actually got the Narcan from another CVS about ten minutes from me.  That pharmacist (30 ish white guy) was awesome.  He ordered it for me, showed me how to use it, told a couple of funny jokes..he was great!  I did ask him if perhaps the other CVS I went to (I didn't tell him where) didn't know about the policy of OTC Narcan yet and he said "no way".  They had people come to the store (from corporate, I am guessing) to teach them how to use it, to set up the logs(no rx needed, but you have to sign for it)and they have posters about it to hang up in the store.

I appreciate all the support!  I was thinking, to avoid any legal issue with recording this, what if I have her keep the camera on me?  That way, you would see and hear the interaction but it would look as though it was me who was the focus of the video.  Any thoughts on this approach?
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Lolleedee on November 21, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
Ditto to dizzle and yeah I think you should. I'd help here if needed.


Do it lolledee. Wolverines!!!!

LOL!  Love the Red Dawn reference!!! (great movie, BTW)
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Pullmyhair. on November 21, 2015, 08:52:20 PM
I was ready..girlfriend had her phone ready to record me, my adrenaline was pumping, I approached the counter and....bitch left early!  Ugh!!!  Really??? 

So we are going to go back this evening!  For some reason, I can't let this go.  I know that it probably won't change anything, but WE TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO TREAT US.....and I am DEMANDING better treatment!  I am so done with the judgemntal attitudes when it comes to drugs!  Do these stupid people who judge drug users realize that their "socially acceptable" drugs, alcohol and nicotine, kill more people than illicit drugs?  I have personally witnessed my father-in-law die a horrible death from smoking..slowly suffocating...struggling for every tiny bit of air..not to mention the cost of his health care in the last three years of his life!  A smart person would put nicotine in the "terrible, horrible, poison" category!  They should also realize that people can use opiates responsibly...just like some people can drink responsibly(and some can't!)

It amazes me that this stigma is still going strong.  Why should anyone care what the hell I take as long as I am safe (ie. not driving under the influence).  I love opiates.  They make me feel better.  They make me not want to kill myself every second of every day.  They help my pain, physical and mental.  And I will not feel bad about it or apologize for it another minute!!

@Dizzle  I actually got the Narcan from another CVS about ten minutes from me.  That pharmacist (30 ish white guy) was awesome.  He ordered it for me, showed me how to use it, told a couple of funny jokes..he was great!  I did ask him if perhaps the other CVS I went to (I didn't tell him where) didn't know about the policy of OTC Narcan yet and he said "no way".  They had people come to the store (from corporate, I am guessing) to teach them how to use it, to set up the logs(no rx needed, but you have to sign for it)and they have posters about it to hang up in the store.

I appreciate all the support!  I was thinking, to avoid any legal issue with recording this, what if I have her keep the camera on me?  That way, you would see and hear the interaction but it would look as though it was me who was the focus of the video.  Any thoughts on this approach?

That would still be an audio recording, which the laws are more stringent about (than video without audio). It really varies from state to state (there could even be local ordinances), but I would think that you could try it, and if she says to stop filming, then stop (she likely will, since a lot of stores don't allow filming). If you did it without her knowledge/consent, it would still be up to her to pursue legal action, so unless it went viral, the chances of her seeing it are slim. Also, if you blurred her face and altered her voice (which shouldn't be too hard, I think you can do it with basic video editing software), she'd be unable to prove it is actually her without the original video file.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Opi-ette on November 22, 2015, 01:03:35 AM
What if you sent it anonymously to their corporate HQ? This way judgy McBitchface gets
reprimanded and you are safe from any legal issues?
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: corlene on November 22, 2015, 01:09:38 AM
All you get for contacting corporate at cvs or walgreens is a letter telling you they are working on the situation, and they've included a giftcard and some coupons to use on your future visits.

Edit: somehow I didn't read the anonymous part
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: _Enduser on November 22, 2015, 01:49:17 AM
Quote
I have personally witnessed my father-in-law die a horrible death from smoking..slowly suffocating...struggling for every tiny bit of air..not to mention the cost of his health care in the last three years of his life! 

Fuck man.  I quit that shit for 1.5 years. then I smoked a spliff, then ran outta weed and now I'm smoking again and I HATE HATE HATE IT.  Thanks for reminding me why I need to quit like now.  Anyone with me?  Fuck-cigarettes-they-will-kill-you-lets-do-real-drugs -that-get-you-high-and-MIGHT-painlessly-kill-you-so-let's-quit-now support group!

I'm dead serious!  I'm done with this stupid cigarette shit.  \WTF/ junk rocks in comparison!

Like that quote alone is terrifying.  Very scary,.  Thats a serious phobia of mine, suffocation,  And I'm doing it to myself????? I feel my lungs are already going fuck this stupid shit.

BTW, in my experience a great way to get seriously reprimanded and have your shit bust open was have a customer right a really shitty letter to "corporate". 
Shudddderz

It sucks so much to work in those jobs so I always try to humour my retail associates whenever we have the fine fortunes of crossing paths!

BTW I'm so fucking excited about this scrolling text feature im bout to bust a fat

:-[
nuuuuuuuuuuut
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Dhedmo on November 22, 2015, 02:06:35 AM

@Dizzle  I actually got the Narcan from another CVS about ten minutes from me.  That pharmacist (30 ish white guy) was awesome.  He ordered it for me, showed me how to use it, told a couple of funny jokes..he was great!  I did ask him if perhaps the other CVS I went to (I didn't tell him where) didn't know about the policy of OTC Narcan yet and he said "no way".  They had people come to the store (from corporate, I am guessing) to teach them how to use it, to set up the logs(no rx needed, but you have to sign for it)and they have posters about it to hang up in the store.


Actually, the policy is huge.

I hope this makes a difference.

Glad you got the Narcan, Lolleedee!
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Dickwhistle on November 22, 2015, 01:34:52 PM
I would make a copy of the store policy and confront the pharmacist with it while your friend records it. Now it is illegal in most states to audio record someone without their permission, so using this recording could get you in some shit. However the bitch pharmacist probably isn't aware of this and as long as she thinks she has been recorded saying some incriminating shit about the stores policy then you have the upper hand. You might even be able to blackmail an Oxy script out of her. Just kidding!Just kidding!!  I would then contact the home office and explain how rude she was and that she wouldn't hook you up with narcan and one of your friends almost O.D.'ed and died, but you were able to get some narcan from their competitor Rite-Aid who gave you no hassle whatsoever. When writing the home office be sure to include that the pharmacist smelled like booze too! That will be the nail in her coffin. Good luck and good looking out on not taking these assholes shit anymore.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: St. Theresa on November 22, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
I would make a copy of the store policy and confront the pharmacist with it while your friend records it. Now it is illegal in most states to audio record someone without their permission, so using this recording could get you in some shit. However the bitch pharmacist probably isn't aware of this and as long as she thinks she has been recorded saying some incriminating shit about the stores policy then you have the upper hand. You might even be able to blackmail an Oxy script out of her. Just kidding!Just kidding!!  I would then contact the home office and explain how rude she was and that she wouldn't hook you up with narcan and one of your friends almost O.D.'ed and died, but you were able to get some narcan from their competitor Rite-Aid who gave you no hassle whatsoever. When writing the home office be sure to include that the pharmacist smelled like booze too! That will be the nail in her coffin. Good luck and good looking out on not taking these assholes shit anymore.


Dude, ^5.... for the best forum handle I've seen this year.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: DeadCat on December 01, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
If you are in a pharmacy you are on camera. I don't know how the law could allow ONLY the store to record interactions and not the customer.

However, the pharmacist or tch could ask that someone else help you and doge the recording so if you want to record it my guess is that you would buy some pinhole camera or prop a cell phone camera on record in a shirt pocket so it isn't obvious you are recording, then send a copy to someone over her head in the CVS management chain.

There's also the theory any way that in a free market you just take your business, all your business somewhere else and give THEM your hard earned dollar. I know that is more and more difficult in the world of chain store pharmacies that sometimes make that choice all but impossible (no local competition).

I gave my sister a nasal Narcan doser that I was given at the needle exchange becasue she was prone to ODs. A month or two later cops searched her house and took it. A month after that she was found dead on the floor from an OD. I was so mad I was ready to drive a truck bomb into that cop  house but know that the media would pity the "hero police officers" and make me a "junkie terrorist"  and some poor kid in a holding cell could have been hurt. It really did cross my mind. If there was as easy as visiting a "Car and Truck Bomb" Dealership I might have done it.

Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Tainted on December 04, 2015, 08:49:11 PM
I'm interested in the follow-up to this.

On a practical note, I pimped local "Family Pharmacies" in TTA's Pain DOc thread, and I'll do it again here.
I never had a problem.

I would have thought they'd be far more expensive than the chains, but the opposite was true. Dramatically true, especially when I had no insurance.

Trust is more easily established because they actually know you and care about you, and vice versa.

That can be important.
I needed to fill my done rx, but couldn't pay until payday. There was one bottle left on the shelf.
At almost the same moment, JoeBlow comes in wearing a tee shirt that read (no lie) "Chronic Masturbator."
He had a script for done (don't know the quantity) and actually had his cash in hand.

"We just ran out," said the pharmacist.

Joe went home to do what he had to do, I guess.
I paid up on payday.


(When I had no insurance, CVS charged well more than DOUBLE the local pharmacy cash price. Walgreens was only slightly better,)

One named jumped out at me in that article, btw: Michael DeAngelis, director of public relations for CVS Pharmacy.
;)
Good luck!

Unfortunately, some insurance companies now REQUIRE you to goto CVS for ongoing scripts. My family has ins that does. CVS won't stock ABG brand morphine (easier to IV but supposedly they can't order it) but thanks to the insurance companies new policy, your only allowed to go outside of CVS twice a year (one off prescriptions you can go anywhere)

In Florida, the pharmacies are so insane with their C2s. The chain pharmacies that will fill for people under 40 years old are few and far between. If your ins requires you fill at CVS and you are under 40 but are getting scripted (and have a legitimate injury that seriously needs pain pills) your going to have a hard time finding someone willing to fill it. I have a friend who is in his mid 30s who seriously needs pain pills, multiple medical conditions and he was able to fill there for a bit because a friend worked there, after two years of filing there his friend quit. So now the pharmacy won't fill for him, only place that will doesn't take his insurance AND doesn't stock regular tablets, only compounded caps (so instead of 120 diluadid 8mg being $75, it's more like $500)
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Opus on December 04, 2015, 09:31:22 PM
I'm not sure what state Lolleedee is in, but here's the penal statue for California (I'm pretty sure this is the one that would apply in the above scenario)..

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=630-638

632.  (a) Every person who, intentionally and without the consent of
all parties to a confidential communication, by means of any
electronic amplifying or recording device, eavesdrops upon or records
the confidential communication, whether the communication is carried
on among the parties in the presence of one another or by means of a
telegraph, telephone, or other device, except a radio, shall be
punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars
($2,500), or imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year,
or in the state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment. If the
person has previously been convicted of a violation of this section
or Section 631, 632.5, 632.6, 632.7, or 636, the person shall be
punished by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), by
imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year, or in the
state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
   (b) The term "person" includes an individual, business
association, partnership, corporation, limited liability company, or
other legal entity, and an individual acting or purporting to act for
or on behalf of any government or subdivision thereof, whether
federal, state, or local, but excludes an individual known by all
parties to a confidential communication to be overhearing or
recording the communication.
   (c) The term "confidential communication" includes any
communication carried on in circumstances as may reasonably indicate
that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the
parties thereto, but excludes a communication made in a public
gathering or in any legislative, judicial, executive or
administrative proceeding open to the public, or in any other
circumstance in which the parties to the communication may reasonably
expect that the communication may be overheard or recorded.
   (d) Except as proof in an action or prosecution for violation of
this section, no evidence obtained as a result of eavesdropping upon
or recording a confidential communication in violation of this
section shall be admissible in any judicial, administrative,
legislative, or other proceeding.
   (e) This section does not apply (1) to any public utility engaged
in the business of providing communications services and facilities,
or to the officers, employees or agents thereof, where the acts
otherwise prohibited by this section are for the purpose of
construction, maintenance, conduct or operation of the services and
facilities of the public utility, or (2) to the use of any
instrument, equipment, facility, or service furnished and used
pursuant to the tariffs of a public utility, or (3) to any telephonic
communication system used for communication exclusively within a
state, county, city and county, or city correctional facility.
   (f) This section does not apply to the use of hearing aids and
similar devices, by persons afflicted with impaired hearing, for the
purpose of overcoming the impairment to permit the hearing of sounds
ordinarily audible to the human ear.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: corlene on December 04, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Dude, your friend is being given the shaft. Walgreens and cvs are both filling scripts up here in broward. Your friend can also go the mail order route. It's cheaper then in store. Costco is also very good.

I don't use either as I use the hospital pharmacy and a specialty/infusion place. They deliver! I'm considered home bound by the doctors and nursing agency.

Shoot me a pm or email. Univ of miami also fills scripts from their centers. Also jackson does aswell. Plenty of places in miami to fill at without getting gouged now that the pill mill craze is over with.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Tainted on December 05, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
Same kinda situation here in Ohio, asshole pharmacist refused to sell me needles...I proceeded to ask him questions while filming it on my phone camera..don't think he knew I was filming.. Actually I still have it cops were called because he said I was high on dope!   I was on 80 my methadone that's it.   Anyway after arguing with the police I got the hell out of cvs for good.


But it's your right to film in public don't need a press pass.

Is that legal??? I mean, if they claimed you were trespassing or causing a disturbance I'm sure it was, but if not, your potentially a patient covered under HIPPA consulting with a pharmacist. You could be scripted those opiates he claims your on (which you were.) in my state, so long as your medications are prescribed, the law outright says that it doesn't matter if you crush/inject your medication, so syringes even for opiates aren't drug paraphernalia unless you don't have a script.
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: kat1lifeleft on December 05, 2015, 06:48:26 PM
Tainted, is that truly a law? Just seriously wondering bc I actually have a misdemeanor charge for paraphernalia (needles, spoons) from just what you mentioned. Crushing my legally prescribed medication.

The whole situation pissed me off so badly, if I'd known they couldn't even stick me with the misdemeanor I would have fought that shit. They pulled some real shady/illegal crap arresting me for my own script and of course confiscating it. I really hate them sometimes. It sucks when people in authority take advantage of others.

Shameful that people in our lifestyle, more often than not, meet the shady cops instead of the ones truly trying to make a difference.

Kat
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Tainted on December 05, 2015, 07:01:33 PM
Tainted, is that truly a law? Just seriously wondering bc I actually have a misdemeanor charge for paraphernalia (needles, spoons) from just what you mentioned. Crushing my legally prescribed medication.

The whole situation pissed me off so badly, if I'd known they couldn't even stick me with the misdemeanor I would have fought that shit. They pulled some real shady/illegal crap arresting me for my own script and of course confiscating it. I really hate them sometimes. It sucks when people in authority take advantage of others.

Shameful that people in our lifestyle, more often than not, meet the shady cops instead of the ones truly trying to make a difference.

Kat

It is a Florida law, it will vary from state to state. Some states it's illegal to possess syringes without a script I think. Florida has no restrictions on purchasing them and goes's a step further with the paraphernalia thing.

With that said, id imagine that if a cop stopped you and arrested you here on that, it doesn't matter that it's technically legal, the way our justice system is set up you're going to end up pleading out to the same thing no matter what, community service, fines and MAYBE thirty days in county
Title: Re: CVS lies and sucks!!!!
Post by: Dhedmo on December 05, 2015, 07:45:59 PM
Unfortunately, some insurance companies now REQUIRE you to goto CVS for ongoing scripts. My family has ins that does. CVS won't stock ABG brand morphine (easier to IV but supposedly they can't order it) but thanks to the insurance companies new policy, your only allowed to go outside of CVS twice a year (one off prescriptions you can go anywhere)

In Florida, the pharmacies are so insane with their C2s. The chain pharmacies that will fill for people under 40 years old are few and far between. If your ins requires you fill at CVS and you are under 40 but are getting scripted (and have a legitimate injury that seriously needs pain pills) your going to have a hard time finding someone willing to fill it. I have a friend who is in his mid 30s who seriously needs pain pills, multiple medical conditions and he was able to fill there for a bit because a friend worked there, after two years of filing there his friend quit. So now the pharmacy won't fill for him, only place that will doesn't take his insurance AND doesn't stock regular tablets, only compounded caps (so instead of 120 diluadid 8mg being $75, it's more like $500)

WHEN OPEN ENROLLMENT COMES ALONG BE SURE TO KEEP THIS IN MIND!

When I was without insurance, I went to the Dhedmotown Community Pharmacy.
Their cash price wasas usually a third that of CVS and half Walgreens'.

I selected them as my pharmacy on my insurance, and I've had no trouble.

Well, I HAD no trouble while I was still on the merry-go-round.
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