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Title: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 05:43:38 PM
How long does it take for methadone withdraw to kick in? I was an everyday user for several months then I ended up dosing only three times a week, and going up to 4 or 5 days between a dose at times without noticing the terrible withdraws I hear about. Highest at 100mg, which up untill the past two months or so was only at 40. Still only dosing about two times a week with 4 or 5 days in between, and more uncommonly three times a week with two-three days in between.

For about 4 months I went everyday. Then I went only 3 days a week, sometimes just two days a week, for about 5 more months. I always end up going back to the clinic after about 5 or 6 days but I don't really notice any withdrawals . I'll get cold/hot sweats for the second and third day but that's about it. At 5 days I might loose some sleep. That's it. For the longest time, 5 months, of going through withdrawal so much I feel like maybe I broke through the other side and I just don't experience withdrawal like everyone else. I hardly dose anymore, twice or three times at most, with like I said about 5 days in between. You think following along with everybody else's withdrawal experience will not be accurate because of my current situation?
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 06, 2016, 05:54:10 PM
I suspect that your 'mileage' is very low and you are an extremely slow metaboliser.

I start withdrawing even before 24 hours is up when on maintenance but others tell me they can dose every second day if they have to.

It's elimination half life is supposed to be between 8-59 hours so you may be sitting at the extreme end and then some ... that would make you a bit freakish but in a good way.

why not paint us a picture of your previous opiate usage ?

are you also taking another opiate, potentiator or some benzos ? please tell us what you take, when and for how long.

I eagerly await your reply.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: StM34081 on September 06, 2016, 06:06:03 PM
Yea, im curious too! Also very jealous!  :D
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 06:06:24 PM
I haven't taken anything else since I started the program, about 9 or so months ago.

Before then, for several years I was taking around 150my oxy a day. or 200mg of Norco's or percocets. or roughly 150-200mg of morphine a day. I don't take anything. Haven't since I started the MMT program. I guess...coffee is all I take .
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 06, 2016, 06:11:33 PM
OK then ... why not stop completely, wait 3 days and then see what happens without dosing at all ?

It's just not likely that you're the one guy who is immune. Are you OK to try that ? I don't want you to get kicked off the program or anything.

What does your doctor say about this ?
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Dog Food on September 06, 2016, 06:18:25 PM
Ive known maybe 2or3 different guys that could use for weeks or a month or 2, then just stop and go on with their life.  Then pick up after a month and stop just like that again.  Would have some minor discomfort, but could just go to work, and whatnot with no sub or anything.

Very odd, but ive seen it by just a cpl people.  The one guy went to rehab, was in the detox area for one day, then after about a week, they sent him home saying they didnt think he had a problem that needed inpatient rehab
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 06:21:32 PM
This is me stopping completely.

My last dose was Friday, and it was only 40mg. I dosed Monday and Friday, last week. I only got 40 mg each day, instead of the 200 I've been used to, and the 300mg I was used to on Friday.

I did notice the withdrawal symptoms ( which were not mild ) upon coming down to 40mg instead of 200, and 300, which took place for about a week two months ago. Since then I have been fine being where I'm at. I'm used to going almost a week between doses at much higher doses so when I jumped down to 40 I don't notice any withdrawals until the second day where I feel a little cold/hot for a few hours off and on, then it stops. I can not tell anything today ( which is as to be expected ). I know tomorrow will be the same. Up until Wednesday I will not feel any type of withdrawal. I do not know after that because I can only miss a certain amount of days a week and I never go past Wednesday when starting at the clinic for the week.

This week I will. I just know most people go a few hours the day of missing a dose ( while dosing much higher than I) and they go into complete WD. I feel like a freak.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 06:24:08 PM
Ive known maybe 2or3 different guys that could use for weeks or a month or 2, then just stop and go on with their life.  Then pick up after a month and stop just like that again.  Would have some minor discomfort, but could just go to work, and whatnot with no sub or anything.

Very odd, but ive seen it by just a cpl people.  The one guy went to rehab, was in the detox area for one day, then after about a week, they sent him home saying they didnt think he had a problem that needed inpatient rehab

I know some people like me. Heavy opiate abusers who get off easy as far as withdrawal goes. Oddly, two members in my family ( both male ) were at one time heavy opiate abusers. One could detox with little to no discomfort, the other would put himself in the ER almost every time. And I used with them, so I witnessed everything from them using their last stuff to the days after when they were going through withdrawals to the weeks after.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 06, 2016, 06:27:07 PM
Consider yourself very fortunate indeed.

I still don't think you'll always get a free pass so if you really want to avoid inevitable misery, try to stay opiate free forever. Is that the plan ?

It would be a nice and opportune time to do so and save a lifetime of said misery.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 06:34:52 PM
IF I get away unscathed then yes. I will remain opiate free, forever.

If I DON'T, I'll remain opiate free, forever.

I'm really , really hoping I'm not fucking myself.

I start work at a brand new job next Monday. I'm worried I'll think "Oh I'm going to be just fine! No Withdrawals!" up until the point where I miss too many days at the clinic and end up in full blown mega crazy super scary withdrawals that Monday morning. Which would be about 10 or 11 days since my last dose.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 06, 2016, 06:51:57 PM
I really hope that you can learn from our collective mistakes as I can honestly say that my whole opiate trip wasn't worth the problems it created.

Excellent news to hear this but you are cutting it mighty fine by expecting to walk into a job straight away.

I would sincerely recommend deferring your start date until you know that you are clear, can you do that ?

10-11 days sounds fine but all my own experiences tell me that you may still suffer some sort of delayed cessation symptoms.

It's just such an odd situation ... yeah, try to have some cover story if the shit does hit the fan.

Good luck with this and your new job. You are making such a life changing decision and should be proud of yourself if you can pull this off.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 07:04:32 PM
My thoughts exactly...

I feel like I'm being incredibly naive about thinking at 11 days in I'll be able to just waltz in my new job, do a few cart-wheeles and start off on the good foot with the company.

I don't expect, truly I do not, expect to be able to be at 100% by the time my first day rolls around. I'm just hoping it's tolerable. I hope it's no so bad I pass out or can not do the work. I work maintenance at a plant. I don't have a clue how it's supposed to go.

Could you elaborate some on the "Delayed cessation symptoms"?
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 06, 2016, 07:17:49 PM
upset stomach, sweating and chills, restlessness and general malaise. no sleep etc. If your sleep is deteriorating then start to worry but if it's stable or getting better then you're going to be ok.

Also monitor the size of your pupils and if you are getting only a few sneezes then you're probably at the end of it and ok.

How about keeping some spare Methadone around just in case ? -- that's a good idea even if you have to hustle for it. Just for peace of mind.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 08:19:03 PM
No sneezes, period.

What about the pupils?

General Malaise is the main symptom I have that starts with the very second day. Along with the sweating and chills. They go away pretty swiftly, though.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 06, 2016, 08:41:09 PM
But how is your sleep quality, depth and duration - is it improving or deteriorating ?

Sleep and temperature regulation have always been the longest to return to normality in me experience.

Are your pupils getting more dilated with each day or less (or stable, for good measure) ?

I assume that you are in peak physical condition and keep very fit, yes ? That's another major contributor towards faster rehabilitation.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 06, 2016, 09:04:18 PM
My sleep is fine. My pupils are normal. I didn't know pupils had any play with withdrawal? Temperature control is rocky. I'm hoping my withdrawals are mild at worst. If I can make it 5 or 6 days before I even think about methadone, just out of routine more than anything, hopefully my withdraws won't be so terrible..
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 06, 2016, 09:09:40 PM
Pupils ? Have you heard of "pinned" eyes - you can watch them become pinpoints after injecting Heroin, for example. The opposite happens in withdrawal.

Just try to find a big dose of Methadone and keep it on hand, just in case. If at all possible. Or make arrangements with your doctor/clinic to be able to rapidly access Methadone should it get hairy.

Peace of mind, bro'.

Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: StM34081 on September 06, 2016, 09:11:39 PM
Taking some multivitamins, exercising, and drinking alot of water may help speed the process of flushing your system. Then you might be able to know a little sooner how its going to go and plan accordingly
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on September 07, 2016, 12:47:34 AM
Methadone half life seems to vary a lot based on how fast a person metabolizes it. My uncle has been on almost 300mg a day for close to a decade. He splits his dose 50/50 twice a day. By the time he takes his evening dose every day he's already feeling really rough. On the other hand, I was on MMT for 8.5 years up until 2 1/2 months ago when I transitioned onto subs. I did a slow taper down to 30 before I jumped, and didn't have any withdrawal to speak of with any of my decreases. I really felt pretty much the same at 30mg a day as I did at 85mg. I had been on 155 at my highest dose, but had been at 85 for about 5 yrs. I often skipped a day whether on purpose or just because I forgot to take it & never had a problem. When I did jump off at the end of June I waited 5 days before inducting on suboxone. I was just starting to feel a little bit sick on that last day and still tested positive for 'done when my doctor UA' d me after 5 days. I gained a lot of weight on MMT, so that may have a lot to do with it. It sticks in your fat cells, so the more body fat you have, the slower it leeches out (or so I've been told). I'm curious to see how you feel at the 7-8 day point. Keep us posted for sure!
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Griffin on September 07, 2016, 01:16:14 AM
When I kicked in jail last year, it was day 5-7 that it started to get bad days 7-10 were the worst and after day 16 it started getting better everyday. 10-16 was like day 4-5 of regular w/d, and days 7-10 were like day 3 which were the absolute worse after day 5 I didn't sleep until day 10 and then would sleep a bit every other night until day 21 I started being able to get a bit of sleep every night, the guys in the new jail I was transferred to at week 3 asked if I got in a fight because around my eyes were so black from lack of sleep I looked like I got a black eye.

To answer your question if you make it to day 10 without w/d your good but if your only going to day 5 thats just the beginning, day 1-5 is usually like the first 24-46 hours of no short acting opiates, after that is when the real fun begins and you contemplate what would be worse continue w/d or jumping into a wood chipper feet first, after you were hit by a bus. I'd say if you are a really slow metabolizer you might not even start to hit w/d until day 7, your dose and tolerance also has a lot to do with when and how bad your w/d will be. good luck but I doubt your going to get a get out of jail free card on this, you probably just haven't waited long enough for the horrendousness to hit.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on September 07, 2016, 10:52:35 AM
My sleep is fine. My pupils are normal. I didn't know pupils had any play with withdrawal?

??

Have you ever been in full-blown wd?

very very surprising to me to read about a dopefiend who doesn't get the pupil thing.

You've been using dope for how long? (my bad if I missed it, not fully awake yet)
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Lolleedee on September 07, 2016, 11:44:33 AM
Just a quick question.  How are you dosing at a clinic maybe two days a week and not getting kicked off or having your dose reduced?  That is odd. Most clinics will boot you for missing multiple days in a row.  Or, if they don't boot you, the will almost always lower your dose when you come back. 

What made you get on methadone to begin with?  Did you have horrible withdrawal symptoms while you were using?
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Thoms on September 07, 2016, 01:39:08 PM
This sounds fishy as shit. something is off. It's either me or the op but somewhere, something is amiss. You talk about 200 and 300 mg of done and then 40 mg and then not being sick and not knowing about dilating pupils. You are either a bad writer or a bad troll or a kid or I'm just dumb. Well in addition to me being dumb
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 07, 2016, 03:59:02 PM
You have the wrong idea here, son. I knew about the pupil information, I have for a very long time. I thought there was additional information that I didn't know about other than how they pin when on something and don't when you don't have anything in your system.

I get take homes, constantly throughout the week. Those are just the days I would go to the clinic, but I would be getting take homes for the other days when I went up there. I always took my take homes the same day as I got them. So I only had to go to the clinic once or twice a week now, and I always took all my take homes the same day.

It started out where I went Monday, dosed in the clinic and got a Tuesday take home, which I took on the way home that same day. The, on Wednesday I would dose in the clinic and get a thursday take home which I took on the ride home. On Friday I would dose in the clinic and then get all my weekend take homes, which I took on the ride home. So I could miss Monday and tuesday, but go Wednesday and Friday and not miss too many days... You get it now? That was when I was dosing at 100mgs a dose. So on Monday I would dose in the clinic at 100mgs, then down my take home bringing me to 200mgs. Same for Wednesday. On Friday, I would take the 100mgs in the clinic and then down the weekend take homes to get at 300mgs.

I missed too many days a month or two ago and  they cut my dose in half to 50. about a week later I missed too many days again and they cut me in half to 25. I purposefully dropped down to 20mgs a dose. Now that I get take homes again and have actually leveled up to where I just go twice a week for all my doses ( Monday and Thursday) Picture me taking my dose in the clinic and then downing my take homes thereafter.

 
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 07, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Someone mentioned that I might be a troll. I can assure you that if you think I am trolling then please re read my replys and posts on here to help educate yourself to how I am only going to the clinic twice a week. I get take homes, which I take the same day I get them. Most clinics allow you to level up with time and good clean drug screens. I guess everyone else's clinics don't do that.

After 3 months you go from level 1 to level 2, and you get a take home for Saturday along with Sunday on Friday. 3 more months and you get to level 3, which is going 3 times a week : Monday, Wednesday, and Friday while getting take homes in between. Level 4 is almost the same, except you only go Monday and Thursday. Level 5, which I would be on if I was still at the clinic, would just be going 1 day a week. Yes , 1 day a week and getting all my take homes for the rest of the week. I bet that blows everyone's minds seeing how me only going three days a week really knocked some people's socks off here.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Thoms on September 07, 2016, 04:30:26 PM
Ahh! Now it all makes much more sense. I was just having a hard time putting things together. It also makes more sense as to why withdraw would be less intense and further out. I went through a similar deal with klonopin. I would take large doses but I guess they were just spread out barley far enough to never feel terrible. I guess it just gets chalked up to the one free pass theory. Best of luck with the new job.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Lolleedee on September 08, 2016, 12:30:56 AM
Now that you explained it, it makes sense, but your original post didn't have that information about you getting take home doses.  I think we were all just confused due to lack of information.  Now that you took the time to explain about your takehome schedule, I think we are all on the same page!  It doesn't, to quote you, "knock our socks off" that you get take homes, because most of us on long term maintenance, do.  It's just your original post didn't mention take homes.  The way it was written sounded like you would just show up whenever you wanted and didn't dose any other day.  Again, thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 08, 2016, 11:04:25 PM
Of course.

I realize now I was pretty vague in my original post.

I do apologize for that.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 08, 2016, 11:08:15 PM
To keep you updated, it has now been a week.  Someone , else where on a different forum where I posted a post like this or similiar to it asked me why I took my doses the way I did, I thought it might be some food for thought to try to help explain my situation a little more, so I'm copying/pasting it here .

I would take my take homes early so I would get a buzz.
After I missed too many days and quit for a little bit before going back to the clinic which, think a week or more. Which during this time of taking 200mg one day, skipping a day, another 200mg, skipping a day, then 300mg, skipping two days or 4-5 days then repeat. I didn't suffer withdrawal other than the mildest of sleep problems which I countered with otc medicine.
I decided to go back to the clinic and try to do it right, but at this time my money situation was much different and I missed the week , week and a half that I mentioned earlier , which knocked me back to level 1 where I didn't get take homes except for Sunday.. So I tried to go back and do it right, but now I don't get take homes. So I took 20mgs a day until I quit, a week ago.
One week later and... I'm fine. I sleep like a fucking rock. I shit normal and eat normal. I'm not taking any medication or smoking weed , nothing like that. Coffee in the morning and benadryl sometimes when I have trouble sleeping.

I'm still worried I'll wake up next Monday and then...

 boom-pow-surprise

 Knock Knock
 Whose there?
 Withdrawal bitches.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on September 09, 2016, 12:55:05 PM
You have the wrong idea here, son. <snip>

You get it now?

Check yourself junior, if you truly came here for help, you won't get far with that lippy bullshit.

Much of your posting implies significant ignorance and inexperience. If you want help from people who've been where you are; then you may want to try a little humility.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 09, 2016, 06:50:56 PM
Child,

Don't get upset over what I said. It's not a big deal.

I'm not looking for advice. Just making conversation.

You're welcome to keep yours to yourself if you're going to be over sensitive to things .

Take care.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Snoop on September 09, 2016, 07:22:05 PM
^Are you absolutely positive the kick isn't getting to ya man...?

Seem kinda quit to shoot...

And you're abrasive.

I dont know you... don't care to.

Good fucking luck.

You're most def gonna need it.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 09, 2016, 07:28:22 PM
tmitchell2818, meet Chopstix, aka Chops, aka Opus, aka Esoteric Anhydride.

some friendly advice: he takes no prisoners -- he's very sensitive, long timer with a high mileage and vast drug/forum experience so my advice is to be nice and don't enter into disputes with him.

anyway, i hope you make it, it's sounding good for you.

you are one lucky mofo.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: tmitchell2818 on September 11, 2016, 03:45:13 PM
He seems like any other prick to me. He's been a punk the entire time I've posted this and I don't feel I have any need or reason to treat him differently because of his disabilities.

If he has his batman-underoos in a wad, by all means help him get them untangled. I don't have the patience or the crayons to spell shit out for him, and if he wants to take things sensitively for no reason, then I wont loose any sleep over it nor will change who I am.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on September 15, 2016, 12:36:25 AM
My sleep is fine. My pupils are normal. I didn't know pupils had any play with withdrawal?

??

Have you ever been in full-blown wd?

very very surprising to me to read about a dopefiend who doesn't get the pupil thing.

You've been using dope for how long? (my bad if I missed it, not fully awake yet)

I don't quite see how this is "being a punk" he asked a question and even said it was his bad if he missed it. Then you started in with all the condescending bullshit. Addressing a grown-ass man as child  & talking down to people like they are stupid is a pretty sure fire way to piss them off. And wtf is up with your last post? No one said anything about disabilities and you're still going on and on with that condescending shit. You're the one that sounds like a prick.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on September 15, 2016, 01:36:19 AM
lol reactionary much?

btw you suck as a troll, just thot I'd throw that out there.. I'd make a heavy bet you suck at a lot of things.

ps it's 'lose' not 'loose' -- you lose; opposed to like: your head is on too loose, so don't lose it; get it?

@Dopeless Hopefiend : it's pissed cos it's lying and it didn't fly so well. There's nfw this person knows dopesick but not about pupils in the context.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: CARNi on September 15, 2016, 01:40:10 AM
@Esoteric Anhydride   I SWEAR TO GOODNESS I KNEW THE LOSE CORRECTION WAS COMING!!!  😧 lol I'm just glad you taking it easy on em. I'm sure if this keeps escalating that'll change for sure though...

Let's all just get along and back on topic friends!
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 15, 2016, 03:19:57 AM
So @tmitchell2818, how is it going for you ?

Are you OK?
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Poppy on September 16, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Probably  feeling a tad peaky and realising that Methadone is not a drug to mess with.
Maybe Im wrong and he's fine but if he really has been taking methadone in the quantities he claims then I'd be amazed if he'd got off Scott free.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on September 16, 2016, 01:10:07 PM
Probably  feeling a tad peaky and realising that Methadone is not a drug to mess with.
Maybe Im wrong and he's fine but if he really has been taking methadone in the quantities he claims then I'd be amazed if he'd got off Scott free.

It can take quite awhile to build up a proper jones, I first shot dope for a little over 6mos, multiple times a week to daily, before I started copping symptoms, and my first kick was a cakewalk compared to what I deal with now.

Could just be lack of exposure and OP hasn't ever been dopesick (would explain the ignorance of symptoms), could be naivete about another med covering wd, could be half-the-story and who fucking knows what the truth really is and someone just likes telling stories; could be a lot of things..
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Tainted on September 16, 2016, 10:21:19 PM
Probably  feeling a tad peaky and realising that Methadone is not a drug to mess with.
Maybe Im wrong and he's fine but if he really has been taking methadone in the quantities he claims then I'd be amazed if he'd got off Scott free.

It can take quite awhile to build up a proper jones, I first shot dope for a little over 6mos, multiple times a week to daily, before I started copping symptoms, and my first kick was a cakewalk compared to what I deal with now.

Could just be lack of exposure and OP hasn't ever been dopesick (would explain the ignorance of symptoms), could be naivete about another med covering wd, could be half-the-story and who fucking knows what the truth really is and someone just likes telling stories; could be a lot of things..

length of habit really does make all the difference in the world. my habit can average way less than it ever did 10 years ago and 12 hours after my last opiate im sneezing so bad its causing me to gag/dry heave so bad i cant breath. i would trade anything to get back the withdrawals i used to get, they were atleast fuckin manangable. i didnt notice the pupil part of withdrawal for years either. my pupils have always gotten really pinned from getting high but when i detoxed they just looked normal. nowadays 24-36 hours without opiates and my pupils look like im tripping balls, theres literally no color left in my eye, all pupil, but it took years before i ever noticed that happening (and i would have noticed i was aware of that effect in other people)
back when i first started, i could get really really really high and because of the large amount i did, i wouldn't get sick at all the next day, or if i did it'd be really late like 10pm. now it doesnt matter how much i do/how high i got, i roll out of bed because im too sick to sleep any longer and if it takes too long to find a vein i start sneezing and puking and have to put my search on hold. how sick i get has changed DRASTICALLY with time and it doesn't seem to relate to the amount im using much at all
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on September 16, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
@Tainted I definitely found that to me true for me when I was using. Every kick was worse than all of the ones before. I can remember those early days getting high & still feeling loaded the next day. I remember my first kick too. I was in jail and at the time I felt like I was gonna die. Looking back 20 years later it's almost laughable how easy it was. If I'd only known then...Fuck, who am I kidding? If I'd known what was in store for me I probably would've done the same damn thing lol.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 17, 2016, 12:27:51 AM
Every day even on maintenance makes it just a fraction harder.

You only learn it properly over time.

I always advise those starting out to quit while they can because tolerance always grows, not to be confused with a moral judgement.

I see plenty of much older people in the clinic and this is one classic example of it - get off while you can still handle it.

I wish my clinic allowed for 1 mg drops but the minimum is 2.5 so I'm back to putting away little bits for the final bit.

Getting under 20 mg of 'done is a bugger to handle for me.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Dog Food on September 17, 2016, 03:32:00 AM
You ever think about getting on dope for a week or two, then just kick the dope so its only bad for 4 days or so?  I did the maintenance thing with subs(just as long if not longer than done half life) and id feel like shit for weeks comimg off that long of a half life.  I could never las a week+ of wds without using.  This time i went to detox(week stay) with a half-whole gram/day habit and i felt well enough to get outta bed and ate by day 3-4. I honestly havent felt this good without any opiate for 10+ years since i started. God i needed an easy one. I still felt like shit 3weeks sober 3 or 4 years ago and relapsed the day i got out.

Imo, maintenance has its place in bringing stability to your life, but what ive heard was that only some small number like 2% ever gets off maintenance without relapsing.  Ill take 3 days of 100%wds over 2+weeks of ~70% wds.

Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 17, 2016, 05:26:00 AM
Me ? I have stopped injecting and am far too scared of full on withdrawals although I do see the merit of your idea.

This will be my 4th or 5th taper and I know them well.

I also know that they get progressively harder so unfortunately I just have to wait it out and go slowly.

But the total amount of misery is a given and I choose the long way and I will do it - i don't want to be hitting the clinic in my 60's.

There are setbacks too, like attending a funeral made me feel extra crappy so I went backwards and hadon't a little extra.

Like I remind myself, life keeps getting in the way.

I just can't afford enough dope to cover me for at least 2 or 3 weeks whilst the Methadone works it's way out and I'd probably end up with a bigger habit as I know that I'd always have more than I need, I'd rather get oral Morphine but don't think I could get enough off the street or be able to afford it.

Thanks for trying to help though.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Snoop on September 30, 2016, 08:37:58 PM
Hey Chips....

How much Oral M would you theoretically need to transition?

I've wondered the 'specifics'  when it comes to transition, if it's IR or ER that would better suffice?

I. Am. Impatient.

I really WANT off MD. No BS.

But even today I was floating the idea of leaving it behind since I'm a week in already. But I can't realistically carry on like this for a few more weeks without losing my shit BIGTIME.

Work, Family Life, Kids and the rest don't get out of the way for ANYTHING. Id need a proper getaway. And not the CO. Jail kind.

I hate when I realize I'm trapped and it may be easier to just die with it. Maybe if I started doing it right again? Go back up,  and remain.

Man....  I just don't know.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Chip on September 30, 2016, 10:10:51 PM
Supposedly, it's milligram for milligram but that's IV but you'd have to re-dose twice if it's IR.

You'd have to recalculate that to it's oral B/A and make sure it's the ER or -contin prep.

My friend takes 2 or 3 60 mg MS Contin for his issues and that should hold someone on 60 mg 'done but I am only hazarding a guess and from personal experience.
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on November 04, 2016, 01:51:34 PM


I hate when I realize I'm trapped and it may be easier to just die with it. Maybe if I started doing it right again? Go back up,  and remain.

Man....  I just don't know.

Hey brother, you're not trapped -- it's way easier now than it was 20 years ago, we have more tools now and a better understanding now.

But here's the kicker: as soon as you start chipping, you just pissed away everyone's help who got you clean; so if you pull it off, don't fuck it up..

Don't take that to mean that I don't think you're motivated, cos I do think you're motivated, just feeling stuck.

You really don't have to take this to your grave post-MMT. I'm surviving on nothing but ultram and small amounts of lop right now (less than 40mg/day); I left the klinik in August at 52mg.. Suboxone was key, and microdosing that made it near painless.

I don't have a phone of my own right now, but if u shoot me a number, it'd be great to shoot the shit..
Title: Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
Post by: Thoms on November 22, 2016, 11:02:17 PM
@Snoop it's been a minute since we got to chill together bro. Hit me up yo
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