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Core Topics => Psychology and Psychiatry => Topic started by: Chip on September 15, 2015, 01:11:06 AM
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fear
(also testing the new highlight feature. use as you would BBCode and enclose in square brackets)
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Usually one of the two D's.....Disappointment or Disgust!
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Frustration. Why am I not high yet!?
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Boredom
It's like jfc here we
Go agian
And why can't I find that vein agian
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Depends on what their relationship with us is.
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Depends on what their relationship with us is.
This. Completely.
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The one person
I ever worried about knowing
That I'm a junkie
Was my Mom
She knows
Just about everything
She just ignores the fact that I shoot dope
But she lets it slide
Cuz I don't let
My addiction
As an excuse
To act like an asshat
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I beg to differ, they are scared of needles, dying, being thieved from etc.
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It definitely depends on the person, as well as the drug. All drugs have at least somewhat of a stigma, but mention IV heroin and watch the room clear...
I've found that mentioning my problems to friends usually leads to concern and sympathy. Anyone else, though, I get the impression that they're just disgusted.
Fucking judgemental assholes....
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Fear (of you dying, stealing, acting out, etc.)
Disgust, revulsion, horror
Concern, worry, anxiety
Frustration
Disappointment
Embarrassment
Believing the addict must be stupid
Believing the addict is a criminal
Believing the addict is wrong
Take your pick. I think each applies depending on the person, and on the situation.
I can see someone starting off being concerned, then being supportive when the addict tries to get sober, then being frustrated when the addict relapses, then eventually being disgusted when the addict fails to maintain sobriety.
A lot of these feelings have to do with sobriety. It's just the automatic, "normal" solution. If you do drugs, you're expected to quit and get sober.
Not only does the WoD need to end, but people need to quit thinking of drugs as being automatically bad. People can and do function while using drugs. There is such a thing as maintenance. People can be responsible while using.
I think more needs to be done on that front, to change the perception of drug users and drugs themselves.
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Disbelief. Disgust, when they find out it's IV. Piqued curiosity... excitement... arousal. It's a continuum, depends entirely on the person, the time in their life, their state of mind, etc. My mom used to shoot up herself but when it comes to me it's a whole different ball of wax.
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I think you nailed every conceivable scenario. well done.
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Fear (of you dying, stealing, acting out, etc.)
Disgust, revulsion, horror
Concern, worry, anxiety
Frustration
Disappointment
Embarrassment
Believing the addict must be stupid
Believing the addict is a criminal
Believing the addict is wrong
Take your pick. I think each applies depending on the person, and on the situation.
I can see someone starting off being concerned, then being supportive when the addict tries to get sober, then being frustrated when the addict relapses, then eventually being disgusted when the addict fails to maintain sobriety.
A lot of these feelings have to do with sobriety. It's just the automatic, "normal" solution. If you do drugs, you're expected to quit and get sober.
Not only does the WoD need to end, but people need to quit thinking of drugs as being automatically bad. People can and do function while using drugs. There is such a thing as maintenance. People can be responsible while using.
I think more needs to be done on that front, to change the perception of drug users and drugs themselves.
Word. It's like Philip Seymour Hoffman, all the talk after he died was about his secret relapse that no one knew about and how he'd been sober for 20 years, and like it was somewhat of a foregone conclusion that he would kill himself once those factors were taken into consideration. Or at least that his life would inevitably fall apart in some way.
I want to know why the story isn't "wow, he was shooting dope throughout his life AND he was incredibly driven and successful! Depression (which I'm sure no small amount of stigma, both external and internalized, had a factor in) killed him, not drug use. Outside of his depression he was an extraordinary actor and a great example of a FUNCTIONAL, or even champion/successful, heroin user." I dont see any stories about him getting arrested or DUIs or getting caught high on the set, etc. Wasn't he even making movies until like a week or something before he died?
Functional, more than functional (its not like he just kept his bills paid and worked a day job--he really accomplished something). Why is "functional" the best we can do? And many don't even believe we can do that.
When a society creates a whole story around a group of people, you're going to get a lot of people living up (of down) to that assumption. Talk about self fulfilling prophecy. What most people don't know or understand is that the story came first.
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Fear (of you dying, stealing, acting out, etc.)
Disgust, revulsion, horror
Concern, worry, anxiety
Frustration
Disappointment
Embarrassment
Believing the addict must be stupid
Believing the addict is a criminal
Believing the addict is wrong
Take your pick. I think each applies depending on the person, and on the situation.
I can see someone starting off being concerned, then being supportive when the addict tries to get sober, then being frustrated when the addict relapses, then eventually being disgusted when the addict fails to maintain sobriety.
A lot of these feelings have to do with sobriety. It's just the automatic, "normal" solution. If you do drugs, you're expected to quit and get sober.
Not only does the WoD need to end, but people need to quit thinking of drugs as being automatically bad. People can and do function while using drugs. There is such a thing as maintenance. People can be responsible while using.
I think more needs to be done on that front, to change the perception of drug users and drugs themselves.
Word. It's like Philip Seymour Hoffman, all the talk after he died was about his secret relapse that no one knew about and how he'd been sober for 20 years, and like it was somewhat of a foregone conclusion that he would kill himself once those factors were taken into consideration. Or at least that his life would inevitably fall apart in some way.
I want to know why the story isn't "wow, he was shooting dope throughout his life AND he was incredibly driven and successful! Depression (which I'm sure no small amount of stigma, both external and internalized, had a factor in) killed him, not drug use. Outside of his depression he was an extraordinary actor and a great example of a FUNCTIONAL, or even champion/successful, heroin user." I dont see any stories about him getting arrested or DUIs or getting caught high on the set, etc. Wasn't he even making movies until like a week or something before he died?
Functional, more than functional (its not like he just kept his bills paid and worked a day job--he really accomplished something). Why is "functional" the best we can do? And many don't even believe we can do that.
When a society creates a whole story around a group of people, you're going to get a lot of people living up (of down) to that assumption. Talk about self fulfilling prophecy. What most people don't know or understand is that the story came first.
Makita different strokes for different folks, but, I agree with what you said. However, I'm scared of this line of thinking because I feel like this is exactly the head trip I'm on before my life hits the ground and goes poom and shatters everywhere like glass shit. In my mind, telling myself I can keep it together while shooting dope is the false sense of confidence and control I've come to associate with my use. Before I go on a run, I always have this feeling of "I can handle this time" and the results vary greatly. Madness is trying the same thing expecting different results. Some people do handle really well though, not me but some people; like Philip Seymour Hoffman. That being said, everything I do in my life is for eventual anticipation of being able to set myself up to do two things it seems....One of which involves junk. As much as I hate to say it. Or maybe Makita just sent me into overdrive mode because I'm telling you,
that discourse above is the ultimate delusion of the creator fiend.
The fiend who is always trying to create more and more and more and get further and higher and further and then create more and more and more and more....That's the point. TO just not exist, to do everything you can to the best of your abilities as much as possible as much as extra-humanly possible. And it fucks me so hard in the end....But the summation of creator is their work not their person. so, should I go back to Philadelphia? Decisions, decisions decisions. I love dem boys, the dope boys in Kenzo are so good at what they do If I don't cop I feel guilty like they aren't eating cause I'm not coping or some shit. I'm joking but hallways serious....Just don't go there at night
I remember my friend saying "Man fucking bullshit dude had like 70 bundles on him or some shit he definitely didn't 'just relapse'". Why is this narrative of the poor lost soul who throws away everything to shoot dope included in the narrative, while, it could have been that the secret to his acting was the junk? I'm sure as hell a great actor while high.
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Makita is right
The story came first
If we stop telling the story
Will the earth stop spinning?
There was a line
I had as part of my sig
On opi
It was from a book I read in jail
Called "On the Origin of Satan"
It said something along the lines
Of...
A society doesn't simply create it's others, it selects a group, finds a behavior or characteristic of said people and deem that simple difference as a major malfunction. It draws a tiny flaw into a massive thing, makes it what IS different and removes those "others" from the society.
I hope the way I put it
Makes sense
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is that it ? I think that we're all thrillseekers on some level.
malfunction OR dysfunctional at times ?
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Fear (of you dying, stealing, acting out, etc.)
Disgust, revulsion, horror
Concern, worry, anxiety
Frustration
Disappointment
Embarrassment
Believing the addict must be stupid
Believing the addict is a criminal
Believing the addict is wrong
Take your pick. I think each applies depending on the person, and on the situation.
I can see someone starting off being concerned, then being supportive when the addict tries to get sober, then being frustrated when the addict relapses, then eventually being disgusted when the addict fails to maintain sobriety.
A lot of these feelings have to do with sobriety. It's just the automatic, "normal" solution. If you do drugs, you're expected to quit and get sober.
Not only does the WoD need to end, but people need to quit thinking of drugs as being automatically bad. People can and do function while using drugs. There is such a thing as maintenance. People can be responsible while using.
I think more needs to be done on that front, to change the perception of drug users and drugs themselves.
Word. It's like Philip Seymour Hoffman, all the talk after he died was about his secret relapse that no one knew about and how he'd been sober for 20 years, and like it was somewhat of a foregone conclusion that he would kill himself once those factors were taken into consideration. Or at least that his life would inevitably fall apart in some way.
I want to know why the story isn't "wow, he was shooting dope throughout his life AND he was incredibly driven and successful! Depression (which I'm sure no small amount of stigma, both external and internalized, had a factor in) killed him, not drug use. Outside of his depression he was an extraordinary actor and a great example of a FUNCTIONAL, or even champion/successful, heroin user." I dont see any stories about him getting arrested or DUIs or getting caught high on the set, etc. Wasn't he even making movies until like a week or something before he died?
Functional, more than functional (its not like he just kept his bills paid and worked a day job--he really accomplished something). Why is "functional" the best we can do? And many don't even believe we can do that.
When a society creates a whole story around a group of people, you're going to get a lot of people living up (of down) to that assumption. Talk about self fulfilling prophecy. What most people don't know or understand is that the story came first.
I agree why was it never brought up
that if he could have gotten safe doses
he would lived
or had he know about paups stamp blog
just small things like that
that NEVER get riddeled
People are gonna do what they want
why is the result always
conform or die
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Harm reduction....jealousy.....harm reduction
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"tommorow morning is gonna suck"
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^^^^^ why?^^^^^^
Our you care to expand
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Re: What Is The Main Emotion When People Know We Consume Drugs ?
right before i get high i think
"tommorow morning is gonna suck"
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I figured they would freak the fuck out if they were my parents or sister and try and get me into some fuckinf rehab. 3 people know i bang. Two shoot also so they understand and one i get my points from and he is an addict too. He doest judge.
Well i say three people plus you guys..
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I don't think my folks or friends were too surprised when they found out I injected.
My parents I think were scared I would OD and did more than a few times on both heroin and mixture of drugs, so that was their main concern.
I was a difficult teen and became and by the time I was in my early 20's a blackout drunk. Not sure how I made it through college and raised a kid.
Now that I am an adult and don't do the harder drugs or alcohol( besides a few cocktails here and there), I don't care who knows I smoke pot.
I have one very good friend who is opposed to drug use, but somehow we have managed to stay friends for many years.
I don't want to be defined as who I am as a person because of the drugs I choose to use. I always hated being called a junkie by friends or family, but didn't care if I described myself as one until I was much older.
Yeah, I still think of myself as an addict, but one who doesn't use. I know if I was to go out and get some dope today, it would be hard to stop especially after so many years. Maybe not, but I know myself well enough that that I would have a hard time just doing it once.
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Are you asking my emotions when someone I love finds out I iv opiates or are you asking the emotions of others when they find out I'm a junkie who goes to a methadone clinic?
My family knows about my past and knows I'm on methadone but they think I'm done blasting it...there main emotion was sadness and concern and wanting to help ..
Two of my former bosses went through my locker at work and found an old empty methadone bottle from months back ..after that it was if everything changed..a few months later they found a reason to lay me off ..they saw me as a completely different person even though I was the same guy as I'd always been since they'd known me..I'd been on methadone since I had started that job...it was sad the way they looked at me ,talked to me etc..
My other co-workers who were former addicts didn't seem to judge really ..they understood ..
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On a related note--As a CPPer, i get "I'd never take drugs everyday". Stuff like that drives me bonkers--whether its physical or emotional pain that incapacitate someone, its super easy to *say* things like that UNTIL life changes & kicks you in the butt..HARD. It's like someone judging folks with psych issues--it almost always is a spectrum of degrees BUT the chemicals in the body are still "off"- it's no different than diabetes b/c pancreas isn't doing what it's supposed to imo.
Other times, its just plain fun, & as long as no one else is being endangered (like driving while nodding), I don't see it as being any different than drinking like a fish when I was in the military :) I'm just sick of the "judgey" people & folks ending up w/dui's or facing prison for it.
Im still ME whether I use narcotics (or whatever). I'm don't like anyone making my "consumption" (which they usually are clueless about to begin with), the sum total of my identity. Just my biased opinion
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This. Completely.
I'd opine, with the exception of those tasked with our recovery, counsellor, Dr., et. Al then in many cases one of the first emotions they have towards us is loathing,
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Are you asking my emotions when someone I love finds out I iv opiates or are you asking the emotions of others when they find out I'm a junkie who goes to a methadone clinic?
My family knows about my past and knows I'm on methadone but they think I'm done blasting it...there main emotion was sadness and concern and wanting to help ..
Two of my former bosses went through my locker at work and found an old empty methadone bottle from months back ..after that it was if everything changed..a few months later they found a reason to lay me off ..they saw me as a completely different person even though I was the same guy as I'd always been since they'd known me..I'd been on methadone since I had started that job...it was sad the way they looked at me ,talked to me etc..
My other co-workers who were former addicts didn't seem to judge really ..they understood ..
asking about strangers or general public.
that's rough. sorry to hear that you got laid off.
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Word. It's like Philip Seymour Hoffman, all the talk after he died was about his secret relapse that no one knew about and how he'd been sober for 20 years, and like it was somewhat of a foregone conclusion that he would kill himself once those factors were taken into consideration. Or at least that his life would inevitably fall apart in some way.
I want to know why the story isn't "wow, he was shooting dope throughout his life AND he was incredibly driven and successful! Depression (which I'm sure no small amount of stigma, both external and internalized, had a factor in) killed him, not drug use. Outside of his depression he was an extraordinary actor and a great example of a FUNCTIONAL, or even champion/successful, heroin user." I dont see any stories about him getting arrested or DUIs or getting caught high on the set, etc. Wasn't he even making movies until like a week or something before he died?
Functional, more than functional (its not like he just kept his bills paid and worked a day job--he really accomplished something). Why is "functional" the best we can do? And many don't even believe we can do that.
When a society creates a whole story around a group of people, you're going to get a lot of people living up (of down) to that assumption. Talk about self fulfilling prophecy. What most people don't know or understand is that the story came first.
Do you really want us to be talked about like that? I mean I feel like it's saying using drugs is a handicap. Like he did this this and this even though he was a drug addict... like we have our own handicapped league with separate firsts. The first drug addict to the moon. The first drug addict to the run a mile under 4 min. Do we all REALLY feel drugs are a handicap? Like is it that fucking hard to drink that little bottle of methadone or is it worth it because it keeps me sane in this stupid world? And God damn you vein, stay still. Don't listen to me people... just thinking out loud... sober.