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she is on Antabuse

her condition may be terminal

I suggested Balcofen and Lorazepam

any other great ideas (@MoeMentim, especially) ?
« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 10:20:26 AM by Chip »
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i've gotten off of booze a number of times, aa, rehabs, switching to weed.  tried each one several times, sometimes worked, sometimes didn't.  i'm just back on antibuse  the only other time i tried it was a few months ago.  was the easist way to get sober initially, (long term who knows) so id definitely stay on that. it'll have the best chance of working if she has resolve every morning & takes the pill though. my script ran out and i was broke.  naltrexone has been working for lots of folks, takes the pleasure out of drinking.  but why not look into the others as well.  there may be free rehabs, usually religious though.  i've always gone to those, never paid except for halfway houses.  sorry about your friend. 

im also getting some kratom shortly.  and i live in colorado so i'll be sure to smoke enough.  i'm typing on a tedious on screen keyboard, it's fucking horrible i hit the wrong key at least ten percent of the time.  i need to thrift store a usb one.  i spilled whiskey on my laptops keyboard some time back, hehe.
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thanks Moe,

would you try Naltrexone ? my instincts say that it may work against other types of euphoria but i have no idea.

High dose Ativan surely helps ? any Lorazepam.
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that is/was my concern with naltrexone too.  my psych, who i trust says it won't block natural endorphins/dopamine

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Yes, that's what i thought and i do understand it YET it still irks me.

I think the solution is in the euphoric benzo and maybe "sweetening the doctor-patient relationship" with a weekly "look-forward-to-seeing-the-doctor-and-throw-in-10mg-of-Oxycodone and a little Gabapentinoid for PRN.

the thing about addiction i have learned is that "going sober" or "getting clean" early in your life NEVER seems to work.

why is Chip throwing all those drugs at alcoholics ? because it has to be the most deleterious addiction so strong action is required.

why i'm not running detox programs is beyond me  :-\

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I agree that total abstenance isn't he answe for many folks.  I do think it's the best scenerio for those who can be content without a little chemical help now & again.  Most of the younger people i know who are successful to that end have turned into thrill seekers, seem even they need an endorphine boost now & then.  I've done total abstinence with motorcycles as my medicine, would like to get back that someday

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how is your friend doing?  did she decide on a course of action?

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thanks for asking, Moe but i do not know her personally.

she is the daughter of a staff member of a club that we call Returned and Services League of AustraliaWiki.

she is not drinking right now but i don't know they guy very well so I didn't want to pry.

I just suggested Baclofen and Lorazepam as a possible treatment modality since I have some experience and ideas on treating various addictions.
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I also had acute pancreatitis and had to quit drinking. I was already on kpin and weed had always made me paranoid and caused anxiety attacks. So after a week or two of just taking kpin with no euphoria, I decided to try to smoke weed again. I made sure to take at least 2mgs of kpin an hour before smoking and I would only hit it once then wait at least 10-15 mins before taking another hit. I ended up loving it and became an everyday stoner for a few yrs.

The hospital also used nubain to take away the pain 'caused by the pancreatits and I had access to it online so I decided to buy a few bottles of it. I had no desire to drink once I got used to my benzo, weed and nubain combo. However, the nubain 'caused me to seek out better opi's and led to addiction that I'm still dealing with.

Alot of folks say nubain sucks 'cause it's a mixed agonist/antagonist but the 1st time I had it, my pain level went from a legit 10 almost crying to a 2 or 3 within 15-30 seconds of them sticking me in my ass/hip with the needle. It's great for pain if you're not already dependent on other opiates and have a low tolerance. I thought it was morphine or demerol 'cause it took away the pain so good until I asked what'd y'all give me and they said nubain. It's also unscheduled which is awesome. It also doesn't cause any physical WD symptoms when you run out. I would mentally crave a shot of it but I never got true opiate WD when I didn't have it.

It seems like they'd study it more since it works so good for pain without causing physical dependency but I think they'd lose their cash cow if pain patients were no longer addicted/dependent on their meds. There's gotta be a way to make an oral version of nubain/nalbuphine but I don't think they want to IMO.

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