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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2017, 04:58:09 AM »
Yay Bay!!!!!  So glad to here that not only will the see you immediately but they will medicated you immediately!  Stability is on the way!!!!!  Hang in there!  I know there are people out there who detest methadone, but it has been a life-saver and a god send for not only me, but everyone in my life who has to deal with me!!!

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2017, 07:57:46 AM »
Yea bignasty it is crazy. This is in the northern Midwest.
I guess that's gona be me just going to the clinic everyday because I smoke weed. I have not done 1 other drug since being on done.

I don't know maybe the clinic will change but I doubt it.

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2017, 08:22:53 AM »
Yes Lolee i was on it for years and i can't wait to get back on it  :D

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2017, 03:33:08 AM »
Yea bignasty it is crazy. This is in the northern Midwest.
I guess that's gona be me just going to the clinic everyday because I smoke weed. I have not done 1 other drug since being on done.

I don't know maybe the clinic will change but I doubt it.

Hang on to the hope.  My clinic tested for weed up until about a year ago and they would withhold takehomes for it too.

But, they FINALLY dropped it off the drug screen they use because either they realized that weed in no way interferes with methadone or because it was cheaper to test for less things and so they dropped the one they cared about less.  I'm guessing it was the money thing, though!!
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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2017, 07:40:30 AM »
Had first visit with doctor sadly i have to wait till morning to get medicated but hey oi have waited longer he did tell me they would not hold it against me if i am dirty for up to first two weeks.
I was like NO you do not get it once i am medicated and dose is at 50 i am through shooting dope. They are starting me on 40 and will raise to 45 in 3 days and in 5 days so i am going to finish what i have left and i ain't buying no more.
So i am so so happy

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2017, 08:31:30 AM »
Good for you - i admire your resolve.

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2017, 09:32:23 AM »
Sounds good man. Damn crazy you did not get dosed today. My place let me come in the day I called but I guess I got lucky.

Yea maybe the clinic will stop testingweed but this management group owns many clinic in the south and they hate weed down there. But whatever the case methadone has only been good to me.
The main th8ng I recommend is quit dope and get stable. Using dope on top just makes it pointless and if ur on 80 of done you will not feel shit unless you quit for 2 days.

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2017, 11:04:17 PM »
They are starting me on 40
Are you in the states? If so, which one? I've been to clinics in 4 different states and they all told me that the federal mandated max they can start you on is 30 mg's no matter your habit. One state actually told me the law really says to give the patient 20 mg's then watch them for a little while then give them the remaining 10 mg's. They followed through on that law too but I only experienced that once. Everywhere else just gave 30mg's all at once on first day.

Anybody else start at a dose higher than 30 at the clinic? What about other countries....what do they start u out on at the clinic?

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2017, 11:28:50 AM »
I think I started on 40. Cause I went up to 100 in 3 weeks. So I seen the doc 2 times a week for a 10 mg increase. 3 weeks is 30 mg so yeh I started on 40.

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2017, 03:45:51 PM »
Thanks Chipper

Yes i am in the states because i was on this clinic in past they gave me the 40 straight out they used to  have you do 20 MGS come back in 4 hours and get another 20 at least here in Maryland.
I was on pain management and was on 70 MGS before doctor stopped my methadone trying to do back surgery so he could charge my insurance more money
I got my first dose today and i slept most the day i am now up half the night LOL
I do not plan to go above 50 as that is what i got on street in past and it worked.
I am determined to do this right cause i can't afford a habit nor can i get out and run hustles o get money like i once could getting too old LOL

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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2017, 05:11:45 PM »
20 mg will stop withdrawals from even the most severe Heroin habit BUT it's only a matter of for how long.

I used to access diverted MD and I would take 20 mg until I got sick, then another 20 until I worked out my approximate dose over a 24 hour period, then take away 10 for accumulation.

Not practical if you can't access street 'done but it may help somebody that can and wants to transition.
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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2017, 03:05:30 AM »
This is the federal regultions regarding dosing.  This is for the USA.

ii) For each new patient enrolled in a program, the initial dose of methadone shall not exceed 30 milligrams and the total dose for the first day shall not exceed 40 milligrams, unless the program physician documents in the patient's record that 40 milligrams did not suppress opioid abstinence symptoms.

I'm in New Jersey, and I started at 40 milligrams the first day too.  From the wording of the mandate a doctor could really prescribe you more than 40mg provided he documented that your withdrawal symptoms were not alleviated by 40mgs.

I have to say that them just tossing out 40 mg. doses kind of scares me because I am seeing more and more people showing up for Vicodin addiction.  I met one girl who said she had a huge habit and proceeded to tell me she was taking 10-15 vikes and a whole lot of tramadol!  How they can treat people with these type habits with methadone amazes me!  Not that I am doubting this girl's perceived agony, but we all know that agony amplifies ten thousand fold as our addiction progresses.  I think people like that would be more safely served with a bupe detox.

Eh, what do I know!  Maybe if we started treating people with methadone while they were still in the infancy of their addiction, maybe it would spare them from some of the carnage that is all but guaranteed as one's habit gets bigger and more out of control!
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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2017, 06:39:47 AM »
Lolleedee, I agree that Methadone is too heavy to treat light habits but I think it's very hard to stop a small habit in its tracks because when the novice gets unhooked quickly and easily, they probably go back to the drugs because they got off too lightly and think that's how it works.

Only seasoned users really accept and understand the evolutionary nature of drug use, IMO.

And any underlying psycological reasons for using would still be there.

It's a very complex issue and that's why I give people a 10 year run, at least, before they are serious about seeking a way out and getting sick of their dependency.

It starts off recreationally and becomes a way of life.
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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2017, 10:20:17 AM »
Yeah some of the shit people used before the clinic is nuts. There is one girl at my clinic who is on 45 msg. She hasn't tapered down to that. It's as high as she has gone. I'm like yeah, fuck you and your habit. It's funny the people who had supposed 1-2 gram a day habits are on like 90-110 mgs. Like I'm not one to really judge and I know that everyone reacts differently to every drug but a 2 gram habit being taken care of with 110 mgs just gives me a hint that the dope was absolute shit. It also reminds me thaat a iv morphine habit can get you to the same tolerance. Throw a bunch of smoked fent on that and you have a recipe for a kinda big dose of done. Not to mention the huge variation in the speed of metabolism, I know that has a big impact on your final dose. Hell maybe more so than the size of the habit. Anyone notice any other trends at there clinic? I'm no old timer or anything but I notice how a lot of people are in a huge hurry to get off it. Does anyone else give the people they see at the clinic a lot nick names? I guess it might be different for me as I go in with Andi every day but even though we know some of the other patients names we refer to them all by their nicknames. I assume you guys see a lot of th998e same people when you have to go in every day.

When we started Andi got a dose of 20 mgs and then like 15 minutes later a dose of 10 more mgs. I guess they were looking for any signs of an allergic reaction.
I only got 10 and 10 because I was on some other med when I started there. I don't remember what med it was, I think it was the kleptopens. I got off those with a quickness after a handful of them and a 72 hour psych hold. It pissed me off they did that when Andi told my family members that I needed to got to a hospital and not a loony bin. After all they do have benzodiazepine antagonists. Fucking idiots. I guess they don't get payed if that happens so fuck it eh..

We started in the end of may and now we only have to go in once a week to pick up our doses. They have been really really helpful in helping us get take homes on a fairly fast time frame. I was cash pay for the first five or so months so I only had to have 50 minutes of counciling a month but after some work my insurance started covering it. Normally that would mean I would have to start going to 200 minutes of counciling a month but my councilor worked on keeping it where I only had to do the one session a month. They also made it where Andi only had to do two sessions a month as opposed to the 4 that they make everyone do. They are really good to us there. It is an Aegis clinic if anyone has one as an option. They are a west coast operation. SoCal and the
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I assume you guys had to have an ekg to go above 149? Also is anyone else on splits? If so do you notice your night time dose lasts longer than the AM dose? Like maybe you metabolism slows down while you sleep enough
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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2017, 10:55:51 AM »
^^^ You ain't kidding Chip... It's bizarre but I recently hit the ten-year mark and started getting disgusted with the whole situation and started looking for ways out of this. I don't know why but it sometimes really does happen that way.
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Re: can't believe its so hard to get on methadone
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 05, 2017, 03:23:20 PM »
Thoms, I want to hear the nick names you and your lady made up for your fellow methadonians. Nick names are funny as hell, my Mexican friends are the nick name masters!
    You gotta love the methadone clinic. I was in the waiting room the other day waiting to see my counselor and these two women had a music magazine they were flipping through. They were talking about Mariah Carey, and how she married a wealthy man. The one lady lamented the fact that she just wasn't meeting any rich men. I guess hanging out at the methadone clinic is not a good strategy for landing a sugar daddy.
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