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Re: Backup
« Reply #14 from previous page: February 04, 2016, 12:45:47 PM »

Sorry but socialist views with either Hillary or Bernie will bring the end Donald will just strengthen the free market.  I don't understand how people can be for a democrat in this race...its a Nation built on capitalism and the free market, especially when we were better than all other countries at one point in time due to the freedom we had.. Now democrats want more of the state which has NEVER worked...  so they quickly jump to some old socialist that will make the ideas of freedom further than drug legalization.  It actually perturbed me to the point of being sick.  Our forefathers would shit if they heard a socialist was getting votes. socialism turns to communism and both love fascism enjoy the labor camps with Bernie. When has socialist view's worked??

When the free market can no longer support a MAJORITY of the people in it,
when you hear that paying people a living wage would ruin this system
does it make you feel good? Like: we need more of that! And less ecological regulations too!
Mother govt holding you back from maximizing your profit margin?

The government,  the UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Is probably the most pro-business in history
In case you havent noticed, our current system of subsidies and loans means a lot of businesses are getting breaks
A LOT of fucking breaks
to the point where it looks eerily similar to fascism,  with the govt picking and choosing what to "subsidize"
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Re: Backup
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2016, 01:04:50 PM »
Am I seeing shit or did somebody endorse Trump above?  Dude, are you drinking gasoline?  I'd seek help IMMEDIATELY!

I know SHIT about politics but I know Trump, Cruz, and Bush are fucking evil and should be kept as far from the white house as possible.

Labor camps under Bernie, eh? LMFAO

That was a good one, seriously.
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Re: Backup
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2016, 01:28:01 PM »
So in this crazy world. And living in NYC  My biggest fear is some fucked up war/ bomb attack or some shit happening. And me getting fucked without methadone.  If a person was to have backup  MDne... What would be the best way to preserve it. Fridge? Freezer? Room temp? Or dry it out.?
 
Really the world is fucked. And US news doesn't show the half of it. I watch a lot of RT.
Def stresses me out. I'm sure Anybody on MMT can relate to the FEAR.

To actually answer your question, I would dry out your take homes in a large Pyrex baking dish and store powder in an airtight container in a cool dark place. A glass jar would be a good container. Make sure you wash the outside before you store. Some of the MD preparations I've seen have sugar or sweetener in them and might attract insects.

Make sure it's 100% dry! If it's liquid or moist it could mold!

Keep out of sunlight.
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Re: Backup
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2016, 02:35:30 PM »
When has socialist view's worked??

FDR's "New Deal."

Maybe you should ask yer granny about that, how her medicare is working out and about her Social Security? You do understand what Socialism is now, don't you?

Did you go to school in this country? Did you go on to University? Guess what son, SOCIALISM.

Ever driven on an Interstate Highway System?

That's called Socialism, cos it was built by our fucking government and it's used by our people every day.

I have doubts you fully understand WTF we're talking about, so I'll keep it short, but: America IS ALREADY a Socialist Democracy, and that DOES NOT equate COMMUNISM, not even CLOSE.

Chump wants you to believe different, but he's a fool and if you listen to him, you'll probably wind up in bankruptcy court, cos honestly, anyone who takes this guy at face value has something wrong with their perceptions.

Honestly I suspect Trump has a bet with someone (Christie?) that says "watch me insult the shit out of these people and win the primary anyway" -- seriously, how would anyone serious about the job say the kind of shit he says? It has to be a farce.

He doesn't want this job, he either wants to trash the GOP to make sure the Dems get it, or he's got some other ulterior motive; but I don't believe he really wants this job, let alone the fact that he's far too much of a moron to pull it off. I think it's a farce and I highly suspect Trump fans are being fed a line of shit and eaiting it with a smile.

America is proof that a socialist economy works, cos we're sitting here right now, proving it.

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Re: Backup
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2016, 05:00:48 PM »
If he was president, would he be allowed to run his business? I mean, not even bringing up him having time for it, isn't it a conflict of interest? Delegate all you want... taking yourself out of the game for up to 8 years has to be some serious losses. Losses I somehow don't think Trump could stomach...
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Re: Backup
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2016, 05:07:52 PM »
Thanks OPUS!!  I don't know enough about history or politics to make a compelling argument.

I was hoping someone with a broader understanding of the topic to lay it out for Whiteheat.

The comment he made about our 'forefathers'  being disappointed to see us voting for a form of socialism, pales in comparison to how upset they would be if they knew we were voting for a reality TV personality, with NO political credentials whatsoever.  Just because he has "Many millions of dollars, and a great plan, the BEST plan in fact to make this country GREAT again" (Trumps words) doesn't mean shit in my opinion.

And Cruz is just as fucking creepy in my opinion.
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Re: Backup
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2016, 05:17:51 PM »
Well I know you're talking about stockpiling m'Done but its alot easier to stockpile suboxone. I tell the doc i need 16mg a day and only take 2mg. So i have unopened boxes stockpiled for the zombie apocalypse or terrorist attack cuz i live in LA and i worry about this too.

It would really blow to have the country in shambles while in withdrawal. One time an earthquake woke me up when i was kicking, sick as hell and the earth was shaking bad. I was a lil freaked out. Thank god it was a minor EQ.
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Re: Backup
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2016, 11:33:31 PM »
To actually answer your question, I would dry out your take homes in a large Pyrex baking dish and store powder in an airtight container in a cool dark place. A glass jar would be a good container. Make sure you wash the outside before you store. Some of the MD preparations I've seen have sugar or sweetener in them and might attract insects.

Make sure it's 100% dry! If it's liquid or moist it could mold!

Keep out of sunlight.

This is good advice for storing dried products in general.

The only thing I'll add is that it would be even better if you found a darker-colored glass jar to put the methadone, or whatever, in.

Some spice / extract jars / bottles are glass tinted either green or brown. For instance, good vanilla extract usually comes in brown glass bottles. I'd try to put the methadone in something brown. Of course make sure its clean.

I suggest this because even if it's exposed to some light, when you're moving it or taking some out, the tinted glass will protect it better than clear glass.

I'm pretty sure old apothecary bottles for tincture of opium and other substances used to be this way.

Just be careful when storing anything in glass because it could crack or break. And yeah, keep away from moisture, light, and extremes in temp, both hot and cold. 
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Re: Backup
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2016, 11:53:04 PM »
I've seen old glass bottles of "methadone" at antique stores. I remember thinking it would be cool to save some methadone in.
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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2016, 12:59:45 AM »
THANK YOU.. as much as I enjoy reading where this topic veered off too.. Your the one person that actually answered my question..I've talked to other friends on the clinic and they mentioned that the shit goes bad after a while and begins to separate and other wierd shit... I never experienced that. Because I could never hold onto my extra backup before drinking them... Now I have FINaLLy gained control to some degree and have had some backup for quite some time.. But obviously I'm worried about it going bad.. Thanx for your response
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Re: Backup
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2016, 01:04:01 AM »
I know I was on subs once years ago when they first came out... I guess my best bet is to find Methadone pills or wafers... This liquid has me worried about going bad..
Thanx for ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO THE TOPIC!!! 😎
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Re: Backup
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2016, 01:12:32 AM »
When you say brown glass bottle like vanilla extract. Do you mean storing it as a liquid.. If so.. It's not a problem.. It's kept in a lock box. Absolutley NO light can penetrate .. ... I think what I am going to end up doing is finding someone with pills/wafers... It seems like the best option.. Shit or even atom piling poppy pods. And whatever else I can get my hands on... Bundles Vicodin Percy's Roxie's.. Kratom.. Imodium ... In the end.. If some fucked up shit does happen.. Anything that can help even if just a little... SwIm just happens to have a bunch of saved liquid
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Re: Backup
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2016, 05:57:23 AM »
When you say brown glass bottle like vanilla extract. Do you mean storing it as a liquid.. If so.. It's not a problem.. It's kept in a lock box. Absolutley NO light can penetrate .. ... I think what I am going to end up doing is finding someone with pills/wafers... It seems like the best option.. Shit or even atom piling poppy pods. And whatever else I can get my hands on... Bundles Vicodin Percy's Roxie's.. Kratom.. Imodium ... In the end.. If some fucked up shit does happen.. Anything that can help even if just a little... SwIm just happens to have a bunch of saved liquid

No, I didn't mean store it as a liquid.

I was saying do what theSWPK suggested, but put the dried powder into a brown / green / dark colored glass jar or bottle.

I was using the vanilla extract as an example of a brown, glass bottle.

If you put the dried powder in a brown, glass, vanilla extract bottle, please wash the bottle out first. Also, after you wash it, please dry it out thoroughly.

Also, please label the bottle. You don't want to forget what's in there if you're storing it for a long time. You also don't want someone else finding it, taking it, then ODing. Especially not a child.

And once you're done, secure it well, so no animals can potentially get in it. They could easily OD too.
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Re: Backup
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2016, 11:52:49 AM »
Methadone doesn't dry to a nice powder in my experience.  You will get a thick syrup from all of the sugar.  This is especially true with methadose brand methadone.  It just doesn't ever go to a powder regardless of how long you leave it out or gently heat it.


I have kept methadone frozen for a year once when I forgot about a bottle.  When I took it out and used it I couldn't notice a difference to a bottle straight from the pharmacy. 


I found a study that looked at different juices and temperatures.  Here's the abstract:


The stability of methadone in vehicles commonly used for oral administration was determined. Solutions of methadone were prepared in (1) orange-flavored Tang, (2) grape-flavored Kool-Aid, (3) apple juice, (4) grape-flavored Crystal Light, and (5) grape-flavored Crystal Light plus 0.1% sodium benzoate. For each of the first four preparations listed, two solutions were formulated at each methadone hydrochloride concentration of 0.2, 0.8, and 1.5 mg/mL; one set of three concentrations of each solution was stored in a refrigerator at 5 degrees C for up to 55 days, and the other set was stored unprotected from light at 20-25 degrees C for up to 17 days. Only three Crystal Light plus sodium benzoate solutions were prepared at the same methadone concentrations and stored at 20-25 degrees C for up to 29 days. Methadone concentrations were measured by high-performance liquid chromatography. Methadone was stable (loss of potency, less than 5%) for up to 17, 11, 9, and 8 days when stored at 20-25 degrees C in Kool-Aid, Tang, apple juice, and Crystal Light, respectively, and for up to 29 days when stored at 20-25 degrees C in Crystal Light plus sodium benzoate. Methadone was stable for up to 55, 49, 47, and 34 days when stored at 5 degrees C in Kool-Aid, Tang, apple juice, and Crystal Light, respectively. All the solutions that did not contain sodium benzoate and were stored at room temperature displayed unacceptable microbial growth after approximately two weeks. No significant loss of methadone potency occurred in any of the vehicles for oral administration during the study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1858805

Here's another one:

Methadone, traditionally used in the treatment of heroin addiction, recently has been used to treat severe pain. The chemical stability of methadone has been studied in concentrations up to 1.5 mg/mL only. Commercial methadone concentrate (10mg/mL) and methadone powder was diluted to 5 mg/mL with orange-flavored Tang drink. Sodium benzoate was added to the solutions prepared from powder. Bottles were stored at either room temperature (22 deg C) or under refrigeration (6 deg C) for 91 days. Samples were analyzed in duplicate by a stability-indicating high-performance liquid chromatographic assay, and clarity and pH were also monitored. One additional solution was preprared from powder but no preservative was added; this solution was monitored for presence of bacterial growth at room temperature only. Solutions prepared from the concentrate and powder with preservative showed no signs of change in clarity on storage. The solution made from powder only developed turbidity after 21 days, which suggested bacterial growth. There was no significant change in pH over the course of the study. After 91 days of storage at either room temperature or under refrigeration, there was no change in concentration for solutions prepared from concentrate or powder with preservative. Methadone solutions prepared from the commercial concentrate or powder with sodium benzoate are stable for 91 days at room temperature or under refrigeration. Solutions prepared from the powder but not containing a preservative showed signs of bacterial growth after 21 days at room temperature.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23924817


There are quite a few more studies that have been done if you google it.
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