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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #14 from previous page: November 18, 2015, 05:36:16 PM »
1,590 30s is a 30 day supply??? Ugh. Yes please. Wonder what happened to that patient after the doctor was arrested.

lol...............

how could somebody even metabolize that much binder/filler in over 40 30s per day? that many 30s u'd need to use a soup ladle to start eating them.

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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2015, 06:27:29 PM »
@corlene, if i recall (which after the marathon day today i might not, so apologies), was it you that posted about FL not having PMPs?  That would explain a big part of the sideways sort of prescribing (tho it happens to a smaller extent when PMPs are required too) for sure! 

And boy are you right about multi state licensure, revocation etc. The level of "white coat hiding" is huge. If anyone's curious, many states have this info on pharmacist, RNs, LPns, nurse aides, dental hygienists, massage and so on. Often, it takes several months for the info to show up, but it IS accessible & viewable by the public.

Interestingly the ONE group exempted from the public being able to access info on complaints, probation, license revocation in its entirety is MDs. I think this is a longstanding perk thats still in place from the good ole "doctor is God" & the AMA had tremendous power days. But just my .002 theory ;)
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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2015, 06:36:25 PM »
I may have said it before 2010 when they put em in place, I think it was around september, don't quote me on that tho... and these docs thst are still doing it are dirty as fuck, they get away with it and it's mostly a cash only business.

I definitely  know thst there is a pmp, but doctors and pharmacists are not required to take a peak at certain docs, or the drug seekers.

Some states require you to look at the record. I've gotten the chance to look myself up, it's pretty neat.


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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2015, 07:51:53 PM »
@corlene, if i recall (which after the marathon day today i might not, so apologies), was it you that posted about FL not having PMPs?  That would explain a big part of the sideways sort of prescribing (tho it happens to a smaller extent when PMPs are required too) for sure! 

And boy are you right about multi state licensure, revocation etc. The level of "white coat hiding" is huge. If anyone's curious, many states have this info on pharmacist, RNs, LPns, nurse aides, dental hygienists, massage and so on. Often, it takes several months for the info to show up, but it IS accessible & viewable by the public.

Interestingly the ONE group exempted from the public being able to access info on complaints, probation, license revocation in its entirety is MDs. I think this is a longstanding perk thats still in place from the good ole "doctor is God" & the AMA had tremendous power days. But just my .002 theory ;)

Au contraire, if I am not mistaken- you can find info like that on Pro Publica, I believe. Also the Dept. of Professional Regulation
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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2015, 08:40:07 PM »
@Wildcat-- I did not know that. That's awesome!  If so, that eliminates a LOT of tine-consuming digging (& hit/miss info) for patients!  K, have learned *2* new things today-- thanks :)

ETA--sorry if I wasn't clear re:states' websites-- in NYS it's the Office of the Professions; drawing a blank on PEnnsylvania. Curious now, Wildcat are you referring to a National site or a State one?
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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2015, 09:06:16 PM »
@Wildcat-- I did not know that. That's awesome!  If so, that eliminates a LOT of tine-consuming digging (& hit/miss info) for patients!  K, have learned *2* new things today-- thanks :)

ETA--sorry if I wasn't clear re:states' websites-- in NYS it's the Office of the Professions; drawing a blank on PEnnsylvania. Curious now, Wildcat are you referring to a National site or a State one?

Propublica.org is national
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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2015, 09:15:28 PM »
Propublicia is not up to date, take a look. And the pmp reports information on pharmacists who dispense the crazy amounts. Also information on everyone who receives a schedule 4, 3, 2.

Propublicia is great if you want to see the doctors old habits and old office Info.

Many of the top prescribers in florIda for 2012 are in jail, on probation, lost their license, shit some even committed suicide. The info for Florida is actually 2013, not 2012 sorry.

Professional regulation? Maybe this: https://appsmqa.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASLIST.ASP
You can search for the licensed pain management places in there too^^

I really wish we could share the names of these doctors. You think the guy in the original post is bad, imagine him but only writing for fentanyl products
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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2015, 09:16:52 PM »
@Wildcat-- I did not know that. That's awesome!  If so, that eliminates a LOT of tine-consuming digging (& hit/miss info) for patients!  K, have learned *2* new things today-- thanks :)

ETA--sorry if I wasn't clear re:states' websites-- in NYS it's the Office of the Professions; drawing a blank on PEnnsylvania. Curious now, Wildcat are you referring to a National site or a State one?

Propublica.org is national

Yes. I knew Pro Pub was national;  I was referring to the Dept. of Professional Regulation. Is it national as well? If so I should know this lol, but honestly, when accessed, it's always been for extreme situations (like patient abandonment/abuse or malpractice that was covered up by organization).

ETA: geesh sorry im more tired than i realized--meant to convey was a rare situation that I had to access.
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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2017, 12:02:34 AM »
I know this is an old post but I was reading about pill mills and this thread came up on google. I can vouch for what corlene said. It’s not how it was back pre2011 due to the database you can’t doctor shop ,  but there are definitely doctors who will still prescribe what you want. They usually only take cash or credit. I can vouch for this first hand that it is still true in 2017, I don’t wanna get any more specific than that.  And like corlene said the pill game is still very strong just expensive now. Since people can’t doctor shop that has really cut down on supply but they’re not gone by any stretch of the imagination. One thing I’ve noticed in my area at least is there is less oxycodone and more dilaudid now. I think oxycodone specifically has been demonized from all the press it got. Fine with me dilaudid is wayyy better imho.

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Re: For all thee who doubt the pill mill experience
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2017, 12:35:21 AM »
It's kind of a real 'No shit Sherlock' as to why Heroin has become huge in the US again, and so have (mainly illicit) Fentanyl analogues.  ???
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