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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2015, 04:58:59 PM »
I too would love to read the process, even if just for entertainment reasons. Extracting morphine from different brands and from poppy seed tea/raw opium is my main subject of interest though. Would love to hear any thoughts you have on that stuff also.

I dont think the money grabbing types would bother getting the gear and precursors together anyway......only the truly committed/interested would bother.

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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2015, 05:25:00 PM »
I too would love to read the process, even if just for entertainment reasons. Extracting morphine from different brands and from poppy seed tea/raw opium is my main subject of interest though. Would love to hear any thoughts you have on that stuff also.

I dont think the money grabbing types would bother getting the gear and precursors together anyway......only the truly committed/interested would bother.

I did a whole step by step extraction of morphine from dried pods and conversion to heroin on the old site.  Tragedy I don't have time right now to redo it, though I shall at some point.  It's actually not that hard, just messy because of morphine base's amphoteric properties and poor solubility in anything pH's must be precise.

Generally though one just concentrates the tea to a flowey but oily consistency then hits it with ethanol and gray plant crap crashes out, filter, evaporate off alcohol/water, reteaify, bring to pH at least 12 with Calcium hydroxide, (this makes soluble calcium morphinate and crashes out all the other alkaloids), filter through diatomaceous earth, then lower pH as close to 9.1 as possible with ammonium chloride and put in cold fridge overnight.  Doesn't hurt to add salt either.  After anywhere from a few to 24 hours you'll have an amber solution with tan powder settled on the bottom.  That's your morphine base.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2015, 05:51:42 PM »
I too would love to read the process, even if just for entertainment reasons. Extracting morphine from different brands and from poppy seed tea/raw opium is my main subject of interest though. Would love to hear any thoughts you have on that stuff also.

I dont think the money grabbing types would bother getting the gear and precursors together anyway......only the truly committed/interested would bother.

I did a whole step by step extraction of morphine from dried pods and conversion to heroin on the old site.  Tragedy I don't have time right now to redo it, though I shall at some point.  It's actually not that hard, just messy because of morphine base's amphoteric properties and poor solubility in anything pH's must be precise.

Generally though one just concentrates the tea to a flowey but oily consistency then hits it with ethanol and gray plant crap crashes out, filter, evaporate off alcohol/water, reteaify, bring to pH at least 12 with Calcium hydroxide, (this makes soluble calcium morphinate and crashes out all the other alkaloids), filter through diatomaceous earth, then lower pH as close to 9.1 as possible with ammonium chloride and put in cold fridge overnight.  Doesn't hurt to add salt either.  After anywhere from a few to 24 hours you'll have an amber solution with tan powder settled on the bottom.  That's your morphine base.

tHAT IS A BETTER BUT SIMILAR METHOD TO OUR LOCAL METHOD. a COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS THOUGH...(sorry caps lock)..Can sodium hydroxide be used in place of calcium hydroxide? Would that just make sodium morphinate?   Also what is the purpose of the diatomaceous earth? Could a coffee filter not be used?

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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2015, 06:18:11 PM »
Calcium hydroxide (lime) is used because it is insoluble in water it bases the phenolic hydrogen off morphine and pH does not increase further than basing the protonated alkaloids.  NaOH will if excessive damage your morphine.  This is done in heat.  Also, diatomaceous earth is used as a filter aid.  A simple coffee filter will clog leaving a gooey mess that will frustrate to no end.  Its worth the few bucks in the pool section.  Just magic bullet it to a fine powder.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2015, 06:26:23 PM »
Calcium hydroxide (lime) is used because it is insoluble in water it bases the phenolic hydrogen off morphine and pH does not increase further than basing the protonated alkaloids.  NaOH will if excessive damage your morphine.  This is done in heat.  Also, diatomaceous earth is used as a filter aid.  A simple coffee filter will clog leaving a gooey mess that will frustrate to no end.  Its worth the few bucks in the pool section.  Just magic bullet it to a fine powder.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2015, 06:31:09 PM »
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Diatomaceous earth is just a filter media used instead of molecular sieves.  You can get it at a pool store ungraded, or substitute something that filters for various levels of filtration.

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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2015, 06:36:18 PM »
Anyone who knows anything would riddick.  Play nice if you want to stay here.

Diatomaceous earth is just a filter media used instead of molecular sieves.  You can get it at a pool store ungraded, or substitute something that filters for various levels of filtration.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2015, 09:37:07 PM »
Robo, my partner doesn't understand how adding ammonium chloride will drop the ph to 9.1. Could you elaborate?

She works in the industry but not in opiates. Mostly API's.


PS> NEVERMIND, SHE JUST REALIZED IT IS AN ACID, SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A NEUTRAL SALT.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2015, 09:38:17 PM »
Calcium hydroxide (lime) is used because it is insoluble in water it bases the phenolic hydrogen off morphine and pH does not increase further than basing the protonated alkaloids.  NaOH will if excessive damage your morphine.  This is done in heat.  Also, diatomaceous earth is used as a filter aid.  A simple coffee filter will clog leaving a gooey mess that will frustrate to no end.  Its worth the few bucks in the pool section.  Just magic bullet it to a fine powder.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2015, 09:40:03 PM »
Robo, my partner doesn't understand how adding ammonium chloride will drop the ph to 9.1. Could you elaborate?

She works in the industry but not in opiates. Mostly API's.


PS> NEVERMIND, SHE JUST REALIZED IT IS AN ACID, SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A NEUTRAL SALT.

Just answered your own question strong acid, mild base.  NH4Cl is mildly acidic.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2015, 02:40:04 AM »
Just as a follow-up, Robo-J did answer some of these earlier,

But one of the cool things about the traditional method was that you don't need a pH meter to get to an exact pH. 

This would have been really important in the 1800's when pH meters did not exist.

Calcium Hydroxide (CaOH): due to its low solubility, you cannot overshoot the pH.  Just about the time you need to worry about going above a pH of 12, the solution can no longer dissolve any more CaOH, and it will collect on the bottom of the container.  No more "-OH" groups, no more raising of the pH!  Beautiful.

Ammonium Chloride will take that solution to a pH of ~9.1 or so.  Again, no need for a pH meter, but if you have one, why not verify the pH at this step.

Junkette:  Your friend MAY have thought RJ was talking about Ammonium Hydroxide, the strong base.

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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2015, 03:51:15 AM »
I've been wanting to talk to you about this stuff forever, so glad you're here.

I know the experiences you have with Mu down regulation and infinite tolerance.  And I also know that there are people (some of them phile members) who have been able to purchase pure fent citrate or HCL powder and have seen their tolerances to it go from .5mg or 1mg a day over a number of repeated doses, to 10, 20, 30, 50, even 100mg a day (I think thats the largest I've heard on here outside of yours) in a short period of time.  Pantiespending was one who talked about those kinds of doses.  30mg a day sounds ridiculously high at first, but it is about the equivalent of burning through 3 100ug patches a day, which is pretty normative.

Even with those high powder amounts I have not heard of the same extreme down reg that you experienced (and I know you guys were doing much more than that).  What I've seen is that even extended periods at those doses can be kicked comfortably with the right comfort meds (DXM, gabapentin, clonidine) and substitution of other opies, and that one can transition back down to a reasonable dose of something else in a reasonable amount of time. 

Ive seen people try to do it with opioids alone and it wont work, you will still kick hard and you'll think your tolerance to everything has skyrocketed;  but those who can taper and bridge the gap with comfort meds plus other opioids, end up ok and back on their normal dose in a week or two. 

I've also seen a ceiling affect where you just cant get higher or feel the affects anymore, but that limits tolerance in itself as long as you don't just keep piling on for months to fight that.  Taking a break for a day or two, or doing the bare minimum to stay well for a few days, resets the tolerance back down pretty quickly.

You know how methadone builds up in your system due to the long half life and so you can be on 60mg but in reality your blood amounts are higher than that because of the successive doses over time?  I feel the opposite may be true with fent: like someone using 30mg a day may be technically using the equivalent of 3 GRAMS of morphine which is huge...but if that person actually took that much morphine in one day they would OD.  30mg of something that leaves your system in 1-3 hours just doesn't behave the same way as something of the same strength that lasts 6-8 or longer.  Its as if the short half life protects you from getting to a place where your tolly is impossibly high, to the point of no return.  Just like the fast increasing tolly protects you from overdosing.  Is that what you meant when you said the TI was safer?

Basically what Ive seen and heard from this small but growing population of recreational users is not near as scary or insurmountable as what we've been told to expect.  I guess my point is that fent seems to not be the boogie man non users seem to think it is. 

I wonder if you have any thoughts about any of this?
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2015, 04:27:40 AM »
I've been wanting to talk to you about this stuff forever, so glad you're here.

I know the experiences you have with Mu down regulation and infinite tolerance.  And I also know that there are people (some of them phile members) who have been able to purchase pure fent citrate or HCL powder and have seen their tolerances to it go from .5mg or 1mg a day over a number of repeated doses, to 10, 20, 30, 50, even 100mg a day (I think thats the largest I've heard on here outside of yours) in a short period of time.  Pantiespending was one who talked about those kinds of doses.  30mg a day sounds ridiculously high at first, but it is about the equivalent of burning through 3 100ug patches a day, which is pretty normative.

Even with those high powder amounts I have not heard of the same extreme down reg that you experienced (and I know you guys were doing much more than that).  What I've seen is that even extended periods at those doses can be kicked comfortably with the right comfort meds (DXM, gabapentin, clonidine) and substitution of other opies, and that one can transition back down to a reasonable dose of something else in a reasonable amount of time. 

Ive seen people try to do it with opioids alone and it wont work, you will still kick hard and you'll think your tolerance to everything has skyrocketed;  but those who can taper and bridge the gap with comfort meds plus other opioids, end up ok and back on their normal dose in a week or two. 

I've also seen a ceiling affect where you just cant get higher or feel the affects anymore, but that limits tolerance in itself as long as you don't just keep piling on for months to fight that.  Taking a break for a day or two, or doing the bare minimum to stay well for a few days, resets the tolerance back down pretty quickly.

You know how methadone builds up in your system due to the long half life and so you can be on 60mg but in reality your blood amounts are higher than that because of the successive doses over time?  I feel the opposite may be true with fent: like someone using 30mg a day may be technically using the equivalent of 3 GRAMS of morphine which is huge...but if that person actually took that much morphine in one day they would OD.  30mg of something that leaves your system in 1-3 hours just doesn't behave the same way as something of the same strength that lasts 6-8 or longer.  Its as if the short half life protects you from getting to a place where your tolly is impossibly high, to the point of no return.  Just like the fast increasing tolly protects you from overdosing.  Is that what you meant when you said the TI was safer?

Basically what Ive seen and heard from this small but growing population of recreational users is not near as scary or insurmountable as what we've been told to expect.  I guess my point is that fent seems to not be the boogie man non users seem to think it is. 

I wonder if you have any thoughts about any of this?

Makita are you Nakita from before?  Anyway, my theory on my three fentanyl kicks all done differently is this: at the ultrahigh 100 mg/day + doses the mu receptors are so down regulated and the fentanyl serum level is so high that there is a strange delay.  The most one can get in a one cc rig is about 35 mg fentanyl HCl and this shot will hold for 12 hours despite the half life.  The kick once it drops though can be done with massive clonidine bentos amitrypltline gabapentin and any other downer you can get.  The prison kick was a hell morph of early arrest three days cold turkey no comfort meds in weekend hold then I foolishly went on methadone knowing the feds were eminently coming.  This made the prison detox drag into many months pure hell.  The final one the mystery one, was done by choice under great pressure with massive bento clonidine ami gabapentin methocarbamol and then two strips of suboxone.  I had no choice I had responsibilities but all I can say of this one is I know what hell is if there is such a place in the mind of the universe.  The yells I would let out involuntarily scared even me and the nonstop projectile vomiting and no let up for 24 hours and about 4 days to end fully.  Hard and fast is always my choice cuz its done sooner.
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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2015, 05:13:42 AM »
I've been wanting to talk to you about this stuff forever, so glad you're here.

I know the experiences you have with Mu down regulation and infinite tolerance.  And I also know that there are people (some of them phile members) who have been able to purchase pure fent citrate or HCL powder and have seen their tolerances to it go from .5mg or 1mg a day over a number of repeated doses, to 10, 20, 30, 50, even 100mg a day (I think thats the largest I've heard on here outside of yours) in a short period of time.  Pantiespending was one who talked about those kinds of doses.  30mg a day sounds ridiculously high at first, but it is about the equivalent of burning through 3 100ug patches a day, which is pretty normative.

Even with those high powder amounts I have not heard of the same extreme down reg that you experienced (and I know you guys were doing much more than that).  What I've seen is that even extended periods at those doses can be kicked comfortably with the right comfort meds (DXM, gabapentin, clonidine) and substitution of other opies, and that one can transition back down to a reasonable dose of something else in a reasonable amount of time. 

Ive seen people try to do it with opioids alone and it wont work, you will still kick hard and you'll think your tolerance to everything has skyrocketed;  but those who can taper and bridge the gap with comfort meds plus other opioids, end up ok and back on their normal dose in a week or two. 

I've also seen a ceiling affect where you just cant get higher or feel the affects anymore, but that limits tolerance in itself as long as you don't just keep piling on for months to fight that.  Taking a break for a day or two, or doing the bare minimum to stay well for a few days, resets the tolerance back down pretty quickly.

You know how methadone builds up in your system due to the long half life and so you can be on 60mg but in reality your blood amounts are higher than that because of the successive doses over time?  I feel the opposite may be true with fent: like someone using 30mg a day may be technically using the equivalent of 3 GRAMS of morphine which is huge...but if that person actually took that much morphine in one day they would OD.  30mg of something that leaves your system in 1-3 hours just doesn't behave the same way as something of the same strength that lasts 6-8 or longer.  Its as if the short half life protects you from getting to a place where your tolly is impossibly high, to the point of no return.  Just like the fast increasing tolly protects you from overdosing.  Is that what you meant when you said the TI was safer?

Basically what Ive seen and heard from this small but growing population of recreational users is not near as scary or insurmountable as what we've been told to expect.  I guess my point is that fent seems to not be the boogie man non users seem to think it is. 

I wonder if you have any thoughts about any of this?

Makita are you Nakita from before?  Anyway, my theory on my three fentanyl kicks all done differently is this: at the ultrahigh 100 mg/day + doses the mu receptors are so down regulated and the fentanyl serum level is so high that there is a strange delay.  The most one can get in a one cc rig is about 35 mg fentanyl HCl and this shot will hold for 12 hours despite the half life.  The kick once it drops though can be done with massive clonidine bentos amitrypltline gabapentin and any other downer you can get.  The prison kick was a hell morph of early arrest three days cold turkey no comfort meds in weekend hold then I foolishly went on methadone knowing the feds were eminently coming.  This made the prison detox drag into many months pure hell.  The final one the mystery one, was done by choice under great pressure with massive bento clonidine ami gabapentin methocarbamol and then two strips of suboxone.  I had no choice I had responsibilities but all I can say of this one is I know what hell is if there is such a place in the mind of the universe.  The yells I would let out involuntarily scared even me and the nonstop projectile vomiting and no let up for 24 hours and about 4 days to end fully.  Hard and fast is always my choice cuz its done sooner.

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Re: Fentanyl at home (not for beginners...)
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Calcium hydroxide (lime) is used because it is insoluble in water it bases the phenolic hydrogen off morphine and pH does not increase further than basing the protonated alkaloids.  NaOH will if excessive damage your morphine.  This is done in heat.  Also, diatomaceous earth is used as a filter aid.  A simple coffee filter will clog leaving a gooey mess that will frustrate to no end.  Its worth the few bucks in the pool section.  Just magic bullet it to a fine powder.
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